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25 Jun 2020
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26 Jun 2020
@Ward:matrix.orgWard15 year old CGI script finds new life in the Seran Outpost.18:03:29
@Ward:matrix.orgWardTry the original sudoku helper here: http://c2.com/~ward/sudokant.cgi?1..2..5.....3..6...2.4..7...1..4..3..7..2..8..6..1..9...6..9.7...5..1.....3..8..218:03:58
@Ward:matrix.orgWardRead about how it works and what we have done with it here: http://ward.asia.wiki.org/sudoku-helper.html18:04:51
@Ward:matrix.orgWardI've updated and refactored the pages about our Seran Outpost. Charts show how we got to thinking this way and what we've come up with that we like. http://ward.asia.wiki.org/outpost-thinking.html21:29:59
28 Jun 2020
@freekurt:matrix.orgfreekurtI volunteer with replicant.us which is a free software alternative to Android. we are looking to transition to mediawiki in the near future because we have a lot of internal wiki pages with overlapping data. our hope is to be able to contribute "upstream" to wikidata and then to fetch / query reason that data with SPARQL. not only would this make it so we could edit wikidata once, which would then update every internal wiki page that has content about it, we could also try to convince other operating systems that use similar devices to use the same technique and hence reduce redundancy in our collective efforts. I am messaging this channel to ask what critiques you might have about this strategy and whether you think tools and techniques that have been developed by FedWiki would serve the Replicant project better. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.23:43:22
29 Jun 2020
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@Ward:matrix.orgWard freekurt: You describe "lot of internal wiki pages with overlapping data." We favor independent voices but offer workflows and affordances that encourages movement towards consensus without demanding it in any situation. Our side-by-side presentation was motivated by the assumed need to reconcile differences while seeking consensus. That is not quite the same motivation of wikidata or wikicommons which offers commonality across many language versions. I'm happy to explore specific scenarios and won't be disappointed if you finally decide mediawiki is the best solution for your case. 01:11:42
@Ward:matrix.orgWard * freekurt: You describe "lot of internal wiki pages with overlapping data." We favor independent voices but offer workflows and affordances that encourages movement towards consensus without demanding it in any situation. Our side-by-side presentation was motivated by the assumed need to reconcile differences while seeking consensus. That is not quite the same motivation of wikidata or wikicommons which offers commonality across many language versions. I'm happy to explore specific scenarios and won't be disappointed if you finally decide mediawiki is the best solution for your case. 01:12:21
@Ward:matrix.orgWardHere is a page where we try to describe our sweet spot: http://ward.asia.wiki.org/chorus-of-voices.html01:14:15
@freekurt:matrix.orgfreekurt Ward: Thank you for your thoughtful response. I will be talking with our team in the short term future and responding here with some follow-up questions. 01:47:13
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30 Jun 2020
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1 Jul 2020
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fgaz: Our use of openid was so long ago that I can't even remember how it worked. I selectively moved a number of fed.wiki.org subdomains off of the original ruby implementation of the server and they would expect a Twitter or Google id. Github ids are also an option but I haven't registered any of my sites to use that identity provider. I keep the old ruby code running just to show that it still works except for login. Have you lost access to something you have written years ago?
Sorry, I completely missed the reply!
I have lost access, but I didn't put anything interesting there yet, I just liked the domain :)
14:58:00
@Ward:matrix.orgWardThree variations of wiki outpost thinking has now yielded six follow-on projects. Join us to video chat about this and other dev/user news starting in 15 minutes. https://zoom.us/j/619897150?pwd=M1d3WjJYc2x3NEcwQnZyWDYwaHhsQT0916:45:59
@thompson_morrison:matrix.orgThompsonWonderful to learn about Bohm Dialogue today from Marc. That is a wonderful new door to open. We talked about 'ma' and 'white space', what Bohm talked about as 'free space' awaiting "new to happen." More thoughts here: http://wellspring.fed.wiki/white-space.html20:34:34
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2 Jul 2020
@thompson_morrison:matrix.orgThompson eric: wonderful! 00:18:48
@thompson_morrison:matrix.orgThompsonEric, your poem inspired me to push harder here as I sense that we are being slowly led to an important illumination of the role of 'tempo interruption' that Ward identified earlier, not only for resilience engineering but the creative process itself. http://wellspring.fed.wiki/the-space-of-emergence.html17:51:53
@dobbs:matrix.orgericOh... I don't get to take credit for that poem. https://www.wussu.com/laotzu/laotzu11.html19:19:49
@thompson_morrison:matrix.orgThompsonha! I know that is not your poem but you did make it yours when you gifted it to us... 😀19:25:15
3 Jul 2020
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5 Jul 2020
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6 Jul 2020
@Ward:matrix.orgWardMike Caulfield's 2014 explanation of federation circulating on twitter once again. https://hapgood.us/2014/11/06/federated-education-new-directions-in-digital-collaboration/03:30:20
@Ward:matrix.orgWard * Mike Caulfield's 2014 explanation of federation circulating on twitter once again. https://hapgood.us/2014/11/06/federated-education-new-directions-in-digital-collaboration/03:31:11
@thompson_morrison:matrix.orgThompson

I am reminded of Alan Kay’s words:

Putting a writing system into an oral society doesn’t actually do it, doesn’t change them. It requires something more, because the thing that’s important about writing and how it changes the thinking of the civilization is the literate aspects of it, the structure and the thought, in various ways. Anyway, so this is all stuff that’s water over the dam, but most people don’t understand it. Most people in media don’t understand it.
If you read [Marshall] McLuhan, the first thing you realize is: Wow, if we could make something like a printing press—but its content is the next level of dealing with complexity, beyond what we could do with prose and written-down mathematics and stuff like that—we can actually create a media environment that the acclimation to [which], just like the acclimation to the printing press, would be another level of thought. And by the way, we need it, because our technology is taking us into a place where we need another level of thought, beyond the level that it took to create it.

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