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18 Oct 2021
@Ward:matrix.orgWardAside: be clear that I did this just to be sure the scripts still worked after all the trouble with google.01:29:41
@jmeowmeow:matrix.orgJeff MillerClever geocoding convention.08:46:35
@Paul90:matrix.orgpaul90Something to remember DID (Decentralized identifiers) rely on https.13:20:08
@Robert.Best:matrix.orgrobert.bestI'm a newb to this, but that didcomm spec seems to be saying it's "transport independent".14:06:50
@Paul90:matrix.orgpaul90It looks to be about a way of encrypting a message, and not about identity (using DIDs to provide identity). I think that 'transport independent' is just a way of saying they don't rely on any security at the transport layer, by building it into the message.14:38:16
@dobbs:matrix.orgeric

3wc ~ they/them: I found this feature in your demo video particularly cool.

nextcloud doesn't seem to care that it's authenticating a non-SSL app that's not internet-accessible, so this should work for everyone's existing fedwikis no matter how private or non-SSL-secured

If I'm following that correctly, I think that would allow communities to use other tech (like a shared VPN) to create a private-club sort of wiki farm.

14:44:27
@dobbs:matrix.orgeric *

3wc ~ they/them: I found this feature in your demo video particularly cool.

nextcloud doesn't seem to care that it's authenticating a non-SSL app that's not internet-accessible, so this should work for everyone's existing fedwikis no matter how private or non-SSL-secured

If I'm following that correctly, I think that would allow communities to use other tech (like a shared VPN) to create a private-club sort of wiki farm.

14:44:33
@Ward:matrix.orgWard
In reply to @jmeowmeow:matrix.org
Clever geocoding convention.
Yes, I liked it so much that the Make New Places script now honors it when found and pops up the new page with the marker in the right place. Here I am "arm-chair phototelling" the White House.
17:19:45
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19 Oct 2021
@Ward:matrix.orgWard
In reply to @Ward:matrix.org
I have converted the asia.wiki.org farm to use "friends" security which operates without any dependency on google. You may have a wiki or two hosted there that google refuses to login. I am happy to issue a friendly "reclaim code" if you send me email. Send to ward@c2.com with "reclaim code" in the subject line. You may want to introduce yourself and list the sites you think you have. The name you use with google will help me find the correct sites.

We are learning to live with "friends" security and recognize a few additional options: Creating new sites, and, managing sites for collaborators with my help.

New sites can be created but each new site will have its own generated reclaim code and generated handle for a user name. The owner of a new site can edit but don't log out without requesting a reclaim code from me. You can also replace the generated handle with your full name as you are known in your community.

If you have a community that intends to use wiki under your supervision you can consolidate reclaim codes and handle replacements which I will process using an as yet undefined bulk process. Marc is pioneering this process with the community employing sofi.

This is a step back from the wide-open nature of our farms to date. Remember, we never intended to host wiki sites except as exploration of the federation capabilities until most users operated their own sites by whatever rules they want for them selves and their communities.

03:12:14
@jmeowmeow:matrix.orgJeff Millerwiki-in-a-container, just add hosting, configuration, and federation affiliations; module boundaries allowing updating the engine and substituting providers of necessary services.03:15:49
@jmeowmeow:matrix.orgJeff MillerI've balked at deploying my own hosted services, beyond forks of WikiBase. I haven't had enough personal motivation to climb the hill of decisions and commitments necessary. Staying connected with the Federated Wiki community, I hope, can provide enough working examples to get me going.03:22:36
@jmeowmeow:matrix.orgJeff MillerBut my side project PixieReport [ https://github.com/jmeowmeow/PixieReport ] has enough pull for me that I would like to get it up as a service. Clearly if I've been picking at it for ten years, I'm going to keep with it unless Tamsin shows up and asks for the keys.03:25:27
@mike_hales:matrix.orgmike_hales

we never intended to host wiki sites

I'm firmly in being-hosted mode, on yala 's federated.wiki farm, and potentially on the wiki.cafe https farm that 3wc ~ they/them is working on (with robert.best too).

13:48:40
@mike_hales:matrix.orgmike_hales Right now I'm stuck, unable to write on any of my federated.wiki sites bcos of Google's OAuth strangulation move. Hoping yala moves swiftly to Friends or the newly revealed NextCloud authentication. 13:49:05
@oricohen:matrix.orgori cohen joined the room.16:52:25
@Ward:matrix.orgWard Hello ori cohen Welcome to our chat. 17:53:47
@Ward:matrix.orgWardOri is a friend of mine from work. 17:54:48
@Ward:matrix.orgWard
In reply to @mike_hales:matrix.org
Right now I'm stuck, unable to write on any of my federated.wiki sites bcos of Google's OAuth strangulation move. Hoping yala moves swiftly to Friends or the newly revealed NextCloud authentication.
I have turned what looked to be an ugly task into a couple days of "workflow automation" using the "nodule" technology that has developed over the last couple of months. This is surely a "make lemonade" approach that may not be attractive to @yala or others because they end up in a slightly expanded support role as the designated friend of the site users.
21:22:56
@Ward:matrix.orgWardI am happy to help any site operator use the workflow software I have written. https://github.com/WardCunningham/assets/tree/master/pages/login-migration-assistant21:31:08
@Ward:matrix.orgWardWe also have folks here with experience adding https to wiki sites. This adds a different set of restrictions. I have been told it is easy by developers who have installed Let's Encrypt on their static blog. I don't think it is so easy but it is a more professional look. 21:34:17
@Ward:matrix.orgWard A third choice that is probably the least attractive but available right now is to make a new site, <yourname>.tries.fed.wiki, and move the pages you want to edit there. You can use the /system/export.json endpoint to get an export of your site then drag it to you new site and fork pages one at a time into there. The reverse process will work to put things back when the farm is again available. 21:38:24
@Ward:matrix.orgWard * A third choice that is probably the least attractive but available right now is to make a new site, <yourname>.tries.fed.wiki, and move the pages you want to edit there. You can use the /system/export.json endpoint to get an export of your site then drag it to you new site and fork pages one at a time into there. The reverse process will work to put things back when the farm is again available. 21:45:50
@Ward:matrix.orgWardHere is a small site owned by David which google now denies login. http://hacks.fedwiki.org/22:01:53
@Ward:matrix.orgWardGoogle does not interfere with exporting contents from this site. http://hacks.fedwiki.org/system/export.json22:03:03
@Ward:matrix.orgWardIf I save that file to Downloads and then drag the download to my own site it look like this:22:07:47
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@Ward:matrix.orgWardI can now click to view any of these pages and then fork to begin editing.22:12:13
@Ward:matrix.orgWard Large sites might be more easily exported with curl at the command line.
curl http://hacks.fedwiki.org/system/export.json > export.json
22:14:21
@Ward:matrix.orgWardI am happy to help anyone forward in the chat here or on our wednesday call tomorrow.22:15:44

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