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22 Jan 2021
@christopherreay:matrix.orgchristopherreay* one requirement is for monolithic "social network"platforms to have voluntary "natural identity confirmation" badges. this allows opt in communities of real people to identify each other. without that the tools are to 9 easy to manipulate. there are small numbers of very dense locii. and the loudest most insistent voices are often professional accounts. I have spent some considerable time studying this08:04:46
@christopherreay:matrix.orgchristopherreay* one requirement is for monolithic "social network"platforms to have voluntary "natural identity confirmation" badges. this allows opt in communities of real people to identify each other. without that the tools are too easy to manipulate. there are small numbers of very dense locii. and the loudest most insistent voices are often professional accounts. I have spent some considerable time studying this08:04:58
@Ward:matrix.orgWard christopherreay: It seems like wikipedia gets this in a form that doesn't expose an individual to harm in real life by accumulating edit counts and other participation measurements that take time to accumulate. 15:52:48
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christopherreay: It seems like wikipedia gets this in a form that doesn't expose an individual to harm in real life by accumulating edit counts and other participation measurements that take time to accumulate.
interesting. I wonder what the total harm done by divisive manipulation of the natural sense of "that is a real person" is currently? also there is no requirement to expose ones id, only for the platform to communicate that you have done so to it. the idea of "proof of work" to guarantee personhood is a new one to me, but very cool.
17:17:56
@Ward:matrix.orgWardWoods' video now online. http://found.ward.bay.wiki.org/-cyber-crisis-reframed.html17:52:28
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23 Jan 2021
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Woods' video now online. http://found.ward.bay.wiki.org/-cyber-crisis-reframed.html
The Q&A at the end was particularly informative and entertaining ... particularly David's explanation of graceful extensibility as the cornerstone of resilience engineering
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24 Jan 2021
@dobbs:matrix.orgericToday we have landed a fun improvement for graphviz plugin (v0.8.0). Got an excellent start this morning with Ward, joshua, and paul90. We've added the ability to draw backlinks. Extra thanks to paul90 for making the backlinks available. An example is drawn at the bottom of this page: https://wiki.dbbs.co/apparatus.html06:06:48
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@mike_hales:matrix.orgmike_hales
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Today we have landed a fun improvement for graphviz plugin (v0.8.0). Got an excellent start this morning with Ward, joshua, and paul90. We've added the ability to draw backlinks. Extra thanks to paul90 for making the backlinks available.
An example is drawn at the bottom of this page:
https://wiki.dbbs.co/apparatus.html
Now THAT's handy. I'm not in a position currently to become literate with the great graph facilities that are being added these days (thank you 🙂). So, please, where is documentation being filed? I wonder whether a tutorial might be good to have?
11:37:47
@dobbs:matrix.orgericI updated the docs that are included with the plugin. Here is a lineup of docs on my wiki (but any wiki with graphviz plugin installed will have a similar lineup available): http://wiki.dbbs.co/view/about-graphviz-plugin/view/more-about-algorithmic-markup/view/graphviz-markup-semantics15:26:24
@dobbs:matrix.orgeric * I updated the docs that are included with the plugin. Here is a lineup of docs on my wiki (but any wiki with graphviz plugin installed will have a similar lineup available): http://wiki.dbbs.co/view/about-graphviz-plugin/view/more-about-algorithmic-markup/view/graphviz-markup-semantics15:26:39
@Ward:matrix.orgWardI don't quite remember how the LINK and WHERE keywords interact. Is it possible that the BACKLINK and WHERE keywords work the same way?15:35:40
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@Ward:matrix.orgWardThis is the welcome screen from Bruno Simon's online 3d training that went online this weekend. I've been following Bruno while this has been in development.16:13:52
@Ward:matrix.orgWardEarly comments from other followers are quite enthusiastic.16:14:22
@Ward:matrix.orgWardIf you are thinking you might not finish what you start, he asks for $95 dollars for lifetime access and other member benefits. I don't buy things on the internet but I am about to make an exception.16:15:31
@Ward:matrix.orgWardhttps://threejs-journey.xyz/16:16:04
@Ward:matrix.orgWardTip: click this image to go interactive on the registration site.16:16:42
@dobbs:matrix.orgeric

I don't quite remember how the LINK and WHERE keywords interact. Is it possible that the BACKLINK and WHERE keywords work the same way?

WHERE expressions filter the collection of items in the context of the HERE keyword. LINKS keyword indented below WHERE only finds links in the matching paragraphs. I haven't quite made sense of how WHERE should apply to BACKLINKS.

16:23:33
@dobbs:matrix.orgeric *

I don't quite remember how the LINK and WHERE keywords interact. Is it possible that the BACKLINK and WHERE keywords work the same way?

WHERE expressions filter the collection of items in the context of the HERE keyword. LINKS keyword indented below WHERE only finds links in the matching paragraphs. I haven't quite made sense of how WHERE should apply to BACKLINKS.

16:24:03
@thompson_morrison:matrix.orgThompson eric: as we quickly saw today when trying to visualize a Markov blanket, there was too much complexity in that boundary for easy parsing. I found, however, that by just visualizing the backlinks to a current page I became curious about the context of the page within the larger cognitive domain of my wiki. That curiosity feels valuable and brings to life for me paul90 's backlink feature. I remember when I first could visualize a page's over the horizon 'potential' and eagerly added diagrams to all of the pages that I had written. I feel the same curiosity and am now inspired to wander my wikis to better understand the 'context' of each page, seeking surprise that might lead to new understanding. 18:31:13
@dobbs:matrix.orgericI constructed my own diagram algorithm to explore Thompson's wellspring.fed.wiki. Emphasizing backlinks in my navigation diagram feels like working backwards through Thompson's thinking. http://eric.dojo.fed.wiki/try-backlinks-diagram.html21:47:23
@dobbs:matrix.orgericIt's surprises like these where federated wiki is really delightful. Thompson, for his own purposes, has added a diagram to the bottom of most of his pages. For convenience he has each page refer to a common source for the algorithm to draw the diagrams. paul90 added the code to compute backlinks and put them in a place where I could easily get to them. Ward asked the question about how graphviz plugin could visualize the backlinks. When I set out to answer Ward's question with some code, I wasn't thinking about this particular application. In my own wiki I have, in some sense, hijacked Thompson's diagrams. Except that my work does not actually trample Thompson's. His diagrams remain as he intended them on his own wiki. I am able to explore his writing with my own visual question. Instead of a question like "what's next along this train of thought?" I can ask "what other paths lead to this fork in the road?" It would never have occurred to me to design a mechanism like this up front.22:07:30
@dobbs:matrix.orgeric * It's surprises like these where federated wiki is really delightful. Thompson, for his own purposes, has added a diagram to the bottom of most of his pages. For convenience he has each page refer to a common source for the algorithm to draw the diagrams. paul90 added the code to compute backlinks and put them in a place where I could easily get to them. Ward asked the question about how graphviz plugin could visualize the backlinks. When I set out to answer Ward's question with some code, I wasn't thinking about this particular application. In my own wiki I have, in some sense, hijacked Thompson's diagrams. Except that my work does not actually trample Thompson's. His diagrams remain as he intended them on his own wiki. I am able to explore his writing with my own visual question. Instead of a question like "what's next along this train of thought?" I can ask "what other paths lead to this fork in the road?" It would never have occurred to me to design a mechanism like this up front.22:08:20
@thompson_morrison:matrix.orgThompsonEric, we might think of this emergence of possibility as stigmergic, a characteristic of organic emergence – morphogenesis – that has been previously been identified as inherent in the wiki nature. It is through individual curiosity, done without boundaries, that allows for surprising collective co-creation. We are, indeed, pioneers in this new exploration. http://wellspring.fed.wiki/stigmergic-iteration.html22:32:45
25 Jan 2021
@thompson_morrison:matrix.orgThompsonRedacted or Malformed Event00:23:06
@thompson_morrison:matrix.orgThompsonWow, looking at my wiki from your backward looking eyes allows me to see my ideas in a very different way – one proving to be a wonderful gift. Thank you, Eric. 00:23:27
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