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23 Jul 2021
@mike_hales:matrix.orgmike_halesA friend posed a query in Mastodon, about wiki, Turns out they were wondering whether wiki might furnish UI to an ecosystem of federating apps (designed for managing supply chains/valuechains). Here's what I said to them: https://social.coop/@bhaugen/10662980008455607014:36:21
@Ward:matrix.orgWardYes, that is a good characterization of wiki when it is working well. Some of these features have been illustrated by working example but are not automatic in the same was as, say, Recent Changes.16:40:32
@mike_hales:matrix.orgmike_hales

not automatic

Yep. A whole lot of skill and judgement required, to REALLY use the tools that otherwise just sit there waiting! We return again to the matter of education being required, alongside any wider provision of wiki? 'Wiki literacy'?

17:05:29
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18:56:47
@Ward:matrix.orgWardThis is the publication from which the Climate Change model has been extracted. 18:58:22
@Ward:matrix.orgWardhttp://regenerate.ward.asia.wiki.org/18:58:23
@Ward:matrix.orgWard(My cut-and-paste import to wiki.)18:58:50
24 Jul 2021
@Ward:matrix.orgWardKerry constructed a vensim model from a pdf document offering an analysis of climate change. I have imported her model into one wiki and imported the source document into another. Now I have joined the model and document by key-word-in-context concordance. Here is a snapshot of me using this to improve the model pages.23:36:40
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23:36:57
@Ward:matrix.orgWardSource Concordance => esch section is another model variable and a summary of document pages were keywords from the model name appear. Counts say how often, counting paragraphs. I have selected Our Global Solution.23:41:20
@Ward:matrix.orgWardKwik Our Global Solution => The four paragraphs are quoted here with keywords shown in red. Links here make it easy to open the relevant pages in both wiki. Here I hover over a quote to find that paragraph in the source document.23:44:00
@Ward:matrix.orgWardOur Global Solution => I have a clean version of the plant-carbon paragraph here.23:47:17
@Ward:matrix.orgWardCarbon Stored in Plants => I forked this page from the model wiki because I have chosen to make modifications in a clone where I merge revisions by this mechanism and local changes that you, kind reader, have contributed as I have suggested above. Try this yourself.23:50:14
@Ward:matrix.orgWardhttp://climate.ward.asia.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/ward-cunningham/view/source-concordance23:50:50
25 Jul 2021
@mike_hales:matrix.orgmike_hales
In reply to @Ward:matrix.org
Kerry constructed a vensim model from a pdf document offering an analysis of climate change. I have imported her model into one wiki and imported the source document into another. Now I have joined the model and document by key-word-in-context concordance. Here is a snapshot of me using this to improve the model pages.
This looks like a very powerful working frame - models plus sources plus concordance tools. Wish I had time to experiment and adopt it, but I'm up-to-here with stuff. Would you write a tutorial page on the technique Ward , to fork for future reference?
09:09:52
@Ward:matrix.orgWardMy usual approach is to take some tool or process and recast it as a cooperative activity using the features already present in wiki. This makes this more technology driven than anything with a theory behind it. I do hope that a useful theory comes out of this but suspect the insights will be others. The code simply looks for words from titles in one wiki among the pages of another wiki. There are a few special cases included, like ignoring pages that have "Loop" in their title or pages that don't have a Graph plugin. If there are other applications I would gladly customize the html script that does the heavy lifting here.14:18:25
@Ward:matrix.orgWardhttps://github.com/WardCunningham/assets/blob/master/pages/transformation-explored/kwik.html#L19-L50 -- 30 lines build the index https://github.com/WardCunningham/assets/blob/master/pages/transformation-explored/kwik.html#L52-L70 -- 20 lines create the browsing interface14:20:13
@Ward:matrix.orgWardI've been looking for experience reports that involve collaborative construction of system dynamics models from partial ones. The examples I find are deeply embedded in application areas so are somewhat hard to read. Here is one with provocative images. http://found.ward.bay.wiki.org/integrated-perspective.html14:24:08
@mike_hales:matrix.orgmike_hales

more technology driven than anything with a theory behind it

I wasn't thinking of theorising it 🤓 Just . . on the basis of that lineup you gave, I don't feel I would know how to configure and drive the wiki, the source wiki, the page/plugin that does the concordance work. It's a behind-the-scenes description of the working setup I was thinking of.

14:43:59
@mike_hales:matrix.orgmike_halesMaybe if I spend more time in climate.ward.asia.wiki I will find that (or deduce it).14:44:14
@Ward:matrix.orgWardAh. I will write a how-to page explaining what to click for what kind of result. The first cut of this is exactly what I wrote above. You can get a feel for how this works from the sample I setup here: http://climate.ward.asia.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/ward-cunningham/view/source-concordance14:47:39
@Ward:matrix.orgWardWe see html scripts becoming an important part of "wiki doing work". As such they should be coded and documented to some standard and then collected in a curated library somewhere. We're just starting to talk about this and happy to hear suggestions.14:50:07
@mike_hales:matrix.orgmike_hales

a curated library somewhere. We're just starting to talk about this

Music to my ears. I don't think I have the hands-on knowhow to contribute substantially to this knowledge base. But I'm 120% behind curating.

14:53:17
@dobbs:matrix.orgericI will miss our sunday pioneers & wiki admins meeting for an aikido seminar.15:27:49
26 Jul 2021
@Ward:matrix.orgWardI had a bloated page which I forked to localhost to fix. I was dragging content to a new page, then eventually deleted the bloated page. But search broke in the process. Shift reloads didn't help. So I looked at what index files I had behind this.14:39:34
@Ward:matrix.orgWard
ward@3d status % ls -ltr
total 1608
-rw-------@ 1 ward  staff     258 Sep 28  2014 favicon.png
-rw-r--r--  1 ward  staff     121 Dec  3  2016 owner.json
drwxr-xr-x  3 ward  staff      96 Jan 29  2017 theme
drwxr-xr-x  4 ward  staff     128 Dec 22  2019 secrets
-rw-r--r--  1 ward  staff       0 Jul 22 15:50 index-updated
-rw-r--r--  1 ward  staff     212 Jul 26 06:57 sitemap.json
-rw-r--r--  1 ward  staff     235 Jul 26 06:57 sitemap.xml
-rw-r--r--  1 ward  staff  803964 Jul 26 06:57 site-index.json
ward@3d status % rm index-updated sitemap.json sitemap.xml site-index.json 
ward@3d status % ls -ltr                                                  
total 1864
-rw-------@ 1 ward  staff     258 Sep 28  2014 favicon.png
-rw-r--r--  1 ward  staff     121 Dec  3  2016 owner.json
drwxr-xr-x  3 ward  staff      96 Jan 29  2017 theme
drwxr-xr-x  4 ward  staff     128 Dec 22  2019 secrets
-rw-r--r--  1 root  staff  803402 Jul 26 07:33 site-index.json
-rw-r--r--  1 root  staff       0 Jul 26 07:33 index-updated
-rw-r--r--  1 root  staff   93905 Jul 26 07:33 sitemap.json
-rw-r--r--  1 root  staff   42109 Jul 26 07:33 sitemap.xml
14:39:41
@Ward:matrix.orgWardHelp me understand what information index-updated represents and how it is used? The site-index.json was updating but not the index-updated file.14:41:17
@Ward:matrix.orgWardThe good news is that deleting all the files fixed everything. 14:42:11
@Ward:matrix.orgWardIt also gives me a new set of file sizes that might hint at what has gone wrong.14:42:42
@Ward:matrix.orgWardIn the defective state all searches produced no result which shows as a little tiny white result box about the size of a capsule pill.14:43:41

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