 | Federated Wiki | 119 Members |
| General Federated Wiki Discussion | 10 Servers |
| Federated Wiki | 119 Members |
| General Federated Wiki Discussion | 10 Servers |
| Timestamp | Message | |
|---|---|---|
| 3 Sep 2019 | ||
| 15:17:41 |  Ward | Ah, truth revealed via octal dump. |
| 15:17:47 | Ward |  image.png |
| 15:22:55 | Ward | The 004s just looked like spaces. |
| 15:26:11 | Ward | The whole document appears to explain that confusions like this can happen when an industrial giant, Adobe in this case, extends their software in ways that only they understand. |
| 18:12:59 |  commandocrypto |
Literally saw this happen under my nose in a corporate environment yesterday. Tripped me out more than the black cat that walked out from the printer room. Twice |
| 4 Sep 2019 | ||
| 08:16:15 |  jon r joined the room. | |
| 08:26:52 | jon r | Following the course of Wikimania 2019 Stockholm, one is inviting for 📄 input about federation of Wikidata. I am asking myself: "How might the accumulated years of experience in the wiki federation inform this collection of use cases?" |
| 08:28:55 | jon r | Note: Federation with Wikidata is a special case of federation of arbitrary Wikibase instances (ref. Wikibase registry). |
| 14:51:18 | Ward | It seems that when we set out to number ideas we always get into trouble eventually. |
| 14:53:33 | Ward | The question of numbering came up in the context of patterns this morning. I'm helping with the electronic version of a new pattern language. There will be a print edition. Their attitudes about numbers has to be different. http://found.ward.bay.wiki.org/why-number-patterns.html |
| 14:57:05 | Ward | I'm proud to have a four digit number https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7637 |
| 14:57:56 | Ward | I also have a four character international call sign, K9OX, but I have to renew it. |
| 15:03:04 | Ward | I also have a genome which is uniquely mine, but too long to print here. |
| 15:07:55 | Ward | A design criteria of federated wiki was to be exact enough to be useful in a neighborhood. Seems biology works that way but being almost right was never a goal of wikidata. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideotype |
| 16:46:06 | Ward | Can federated wiki offer use cases to wikidata that also wants to be federated? We'll video chat about this and other dev/user news starting in 15 minutes. https://zoom.us/j/818108478 |
| 20:41:09 |  nickniemeir | hah, wikidata does some amusing things with the numbers. Douglas Adams is 42, Tim Berners-Lee is 80 |
| 11 Sep 2019 | ||
| 16:44:40 | Ward | We prepare for a deep dive into "graceful extensibility". We'll video chat about this and other federated wiki news in 15 minutes. https://hangouts.google.com/call/vh8qSgMVs-k-qOFdtwDAAAEI |
| 13 Sep 2019 | ||
| 20:16:43 |  @1zkrhczgyqx7ycxvrxvha8sn6omphokrd:openintents.modular.im joined the room. | |
| 14 Sep 2019 | ||
| 03:26:16 |  daviding | In reply to @Ward:matrix.orgInteresting about Wikidata. I guess they pull mostly out of Wikipedia for me. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5235344 |
| 04:09:32 | @1zkrhczgyqx7ycxvrxvha8sn6omphokrd:openintents.modular.im left the room. | |
| 13:47:48 | Ward | I think one thing that will distinguish wikidata is their effort to recognize other identifiers. I looked up Leroy Hood (Q1820381) for no particular reason than I thought he would be well published. His entry cites 14 other IDs besides the one wikidata has made for him. I hope Q1820381 will be his forever. Such is not the case with radio callsigns. They recirculate quickly since in morse code brevity is rewarded. |
| 16:30:22 |  Chris Gebhardt | Alternatively, sha256("Leroy Hood" + random_bits(128)) would be universal, eternal, and not require centralized authoritative parties. Such a "root" node would need to be established by networking, but this is a far easier problem, assuming widespread PKI. (He and other trusted parties can sign this ID root, along with other nodes that point to it to add information about him.) |
| 16:36:26 | Chris Gebhardt | Redacted or Malformed Event |
| 17:58:42 | Ward | Alternatively he is already leroy-hood in the federation and recognized as THE leroy-hood within his neighborhood but has to share that designator with all the other leroy-hood over all space and time. |
| 19:20:23 | Chris Gebhardt | Yeah, the wiki namespace / petname model works well for the "embrace the messiness" approach amidst collaborative texts that aren't necessarily long-lived. As prior discussed, it's also trivial to deterministically map a human-meaningful wiki topic name to a canonical piece of data that can be hashed. (thus bridging to a more universal data model..) But I think Wikidata needs more of a formal concept map, one that is language neutral even. And then Wiki users can annotate pages with links to this sort of permanent concept map. (This replica of page "leroy-hood" has the subject [HashID of permanent, trusted concept map node]) |
| 19:22:11 | Chris Gebhardt | Lot of half-processed thoughts here.. graphic pending! :) |
| 19:24:57 | Ward | We hope the important wiki pages last as long as digital computers, maybe longer. I'm not sure Leroy is important enough. |
| 19:25:02 | Ward |  image.png |
| 21:00:49 | Chris Gebhardt | Meanwhile, Leroy Jenkins has been immortalized. ;) |
| 17 Sep 2019 | ||
| 07:21:30 |  ian joined the room. | |