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4 Aug 2024
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [ze/hir|she/her|they/them] (Migrated -> @babba27:anonymousplanet.net)The idea that Qubes is only for supervillains is one of the pervasive beliefs that undermines the safety of Qubes users22:15:07
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [ze/hir|she/her|they/them] (Migrated -> @babba27:anonymousplanet.net)We should be trying to normalize security, so that the mere fact of using Qubes doesn't end up sufficient justification for search or arrest warrants22:16:23
@chile09:matrix.orgrolodondo34'supervillain' que?22:17:33
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [ze/hir|she/her|they/them] (Migrated -> @babba27:anonymousplanet.net)
In reply to @chile09:matrix.org
you missed biometric and captcha based fingerprinting
That's not fingerprinting, it's profiling
22:17:37
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [ze/hir|she/her|they/them] (Migrated -> @babba27:anonymousplanet.net)
In reply to @memorysafetybelike:envs.net
You don't need to be a supervillain to use Qubes. You just need to take security seriously
Hell, criminals aren't even Qubes' intended userbase. Qubes is far more oriented toward sysadmins, journalists, activists, minorities, etc. People who get targeted because of their job, their identity, or their efforts to share accurate and truthful information
22:21:18
@chile09:matrix.orgrolodondo34profiling?22:21:19
@chile09:matrix.orgrolodondo34criminals using which OS?22:22:04
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [ze/hir|she/her|they/them] (Migrated -> @babba27:anonymousplanet.net)
In reply to @chile09:matrix.org
profiling?

: the act or process of extrapolating information about a person based on known traits or tendencies

22:22:13
@chile09:matrix.orgrolodondo34Windows XP?22:22:34
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [ze/hir|she/her|they/them] (Migrated -> @babba27:anonymousplanet.net)
In reply to @chile09:matrix.org
criminals using which OS?
Realistically, only a small subset of criminals are using Linux-based systems at all. Most use Windows. Linux sees more use among hackers, who are by definition tech-inclined. Even then, it's rare to find them using Qubes
22:23:30
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [ze/hir|she/her|they/them] (Migrated -> @babba27:anonymousplanet.net)To know what OSs criminals are using, just look at what OSs normal people are using. With the exception of the specifically-tech-inclined, you can expect these statistics to be about the same22:25:12
@chile09:matrix.orgrolodondo34no kali?22:25:13
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [ze/hir|she/her|they/them] (Migrated -> @babba27:anonymousplanet.net)Kali is Linux-based, so it's included in that category22:25:30
@chile09:matrix.orgrolodondo34which tools on Windows?22:25:59
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [ze/hir|she/her|they/them] (Migrated -> @babba27:anonymousplanet.net)I won't answer that, because I think it's a fundamentally bad idea to use Windows if you're concerned about the police trying to find you22:26:50
@chile09:matrix.orgrolodondo34no eres22:30:50
@chile09:matrix.orgrolodondo34no eres criminales22:31:01
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [ze/hir|she/her|they/them] (Migrated -> @babba27:anonymousplanet.net)Whoever said you need to be a criminal for the police to target you?22:31:52
@chile09:matrix.orgrolodondo34ah22:35:18
@chile09:matrix.orgrolodondo34no eres trafficante22:49:42
@chile09:matrix.orgrolodondo34senor22:49:46
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10 Aug 2024
@type-iix:tchncs.detype-iix
In reply to @memorysafetybelike:envs.net
The idea that Qubes is only for supervillains is one of the pervasive beliefs that undermines the safety of Qubes users
I said that in jest
22:23:09
@type-iix:tchncs.detype-iixHeh, I actually think it's curious you said "only for supervillains," like the Penguin might use it, but not the Joker? :)22:23:50
@type-iix:tchncs.detype-iixI was just flabbergasted at how granular it will/would be to configure well22:24:42
@type-iix:tchncs.detype-iixBut my threat model has made itself known. Very clearly. It's hackers.22:25:00
@type-iix:tchncs.detype-iixSo I probably need Qubes now22:25:23
@type-iix:tchncs.detype-iixOr at least airgapped, cold storage, hardware wallets, YubiKey, etc.22:25:50
11 Aug 2024
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [ze/hir|she/her|they/them] (Migrated -> @babba27:anonymousplanet.net)
In reply to @type-iix:tchncs.de
Heh, I actually think it's curious you said "only for supervillains," like the Penguin might use it, but not the Joker? :)
Well, "supervillain" was your word, not mine
02:09:18

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