| 3 Oct 2023 |
 Pine64 Protocol Droid | [D] <flatteneddevice> yes but there are so many cloud services/isps that they'll just keep going to new ones | 05:51:58 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> not forever, i promise they will run out faster than you think | 05:52:14 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> but like i said, you do have to recognize the ones that will respond appropriately to reports of abuse, and make sure to report | 05:52:28 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> but they'll try like hell to avoid using those even on accident | 05:52:36 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> because they know it makes them look weak | 05:53:02 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [D] <flatteneddevice> i've seen them using reasonably reputable ones like oracle cloud | 05:53:03 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [D] <flatteneddevice> they don't care about laws they're just using whatever has a free tier | 05:53:18 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> yea, anything run by a US company is required BY LAW to respond appropriately, you should just report them and they'll border gateway block their entire country of residence | 05:53:44 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> don't give the spammers the street cred they claim to have. they don't have that. | 05:54:24 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [D] <flatteneddevice> if it were that easy they'd have been blocked by now, this isn't the only network they're spamming | 05:54:27 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> i honestly think it might be that easy and everyone else is also just flailing at stramwen | 05:54:54 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> strawmen* | 05:54:58 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <dsimic> IDK, perhaps it might be worth it to try blocking some IP addresses and reporting them to the ISPs... just my $.02 | 05:55:46 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <dsimic> at least to see what it produces | 05:55:58 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> hell maybe i should just give you MY blacklist and you can preemptively block all the rest of their safe havens | 05:56:01 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> the spammers want you to think that IP addresses are a infinitely rotating set of untraceable resources and there isn't a single one they can't eventually get their hands on. in practice, most of them they can't even touch, and the ones they can freely abuse are so frequently abused that nothing but abuse comes from them, so nothing of value is lost blocking them wholesale. | 05:58:06 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [T] <mPReDiToR> There are enough "trusted" users on IRC that we could have mods able to give +v with 24/7 coverage. | 05:58:35 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [T] <mPReDiToR> Not opers, chanops. | 05:58:56 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> i also have no problem switching to email validation registered nicks for IRC. all the other IRC networks I'm in already use that and have been for decades now... frankly i thought we were already here too, but i guess i must be remembering that wrong. | 06:00:12 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [D] <flatteneddevice> that one we can actually do, it just needs gamiee to set it up | 06:02:09 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <dsimic> I'd also support that | 06:04:10 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> but seriously... don't let the spammers create the illusion that they've got infinitely available IP addresses. they absolutely do not, but they will absolutely do their best to make it seem that way. they will with haste sign up to new ISPs in new countries fast enough to create the illusion, but if you just keep blacklisting while occasionally reporting when you see a big name ISP come up, eventually the illusion will collide with | 06:05:12 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> reality and lose | 06:05:13 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> (i know this because i once turned down a job for the russian mafia then over the course of the next decade had to find out exactly how many IPs they could muster - hint: it's not enough to slow down a pentium2) | 06:07:07 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> and seriously, god help them if they make the mistake of posting hate speech from an IP address in Germany. report that to the ISP and they'll be sent directly to jail | 06:09:51 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> (i've seen it happen) | 06:10:07 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <dsimic> I also heard some harsh stories from Germany | 06:13:24 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> most the other US and European/UK companies won't respond so heavy-handedly, but as long as you catch them when they have competent people on shift and provide logs with accurate timestamps they can cross-reference with their own logs they will still usually do the right thing | 06:22:16 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> but then you have ISPs where nobody is answering the abuse contact in the whois listing... typically nothing but abuse comes from those anyway. nothing of value is lost just blocking their entire network segment. | 06:23:38 |
| Pine64 Protocol Droid | [I] <gnarface> (and if that happens enough, maybe they'll clean up their act or go out of business so someone more ethical can take their place. either way you've done your duty to society.) | 06:24:49 |
