| 22 Nov 2019 |
 Mathijs | * come to think of it, I think I'm just better off ignoring | 10:07:03 |
 Oda Nobunaga | If Kitsune would get more help, things would progress faster. | 10:07:18 |
 lotus_ | I am doing my part by providing a feedback | 10:07:32 |
| lotus_ | As a average user | 10:07:40 |
| Oda Nobunaga | So, if you know some competent C++/Qt developers, send him his way. | 10:07:40 |
 Foks | In reply to@lotus_:matrix.org
As a average user nah, the average user doesn't have an irrational hate for electron | 10:08:08 |
| Mathijs | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
I am doing my part by providing a feedback "feedback": someone once told me electron is bad, so I'm gonna badmouth it and tell everyone they're stupid for using electron | 10:08:14 |
| Mathijs | great, thanks! | 10:08:16 |
| Mathijs | very helpful | 10:08:20 |
| lotus_ | Guys, I mean if Matrix is about to compete with nowadays IMs, then it is doing not that great... it is not even xmpp level at the time, god forbid, not even IRC! sorry | 10:09:12 |
| Foks | lol, it already surpassed both of those in my perspective | 10:09:54 |
 cos | IRC and xmpp are not nowadays im's and not options for general public. | 10:10:07 |
 swedneck:permaweb.io | In reply to @f0x:pixie.town
nah, the average user doesn't have an irrational hate for electron in fact the average user probably barely knows what actual physical electrons are | 10:10:23 |
| Foks | anyways, time to get out of bed and work on my Matrix Web client
| 10:10:16 |
| lotus_ | I would like to see Matrix to replace telegram/whatsupp, really | 10:10:15 |
|  tilpner joined the room. | 10:10:51 |
 dud1337 | In fairness, there's levels to that game | 10:11:00 |
| lotus_ | Basic user don't know what he wants okay, whole community of open source developers should told user what he wants, raise standarts as RMS says, as nowadays proprietary corporations do! And electron is lower standart, framework of a framework without real development! Wrong way! | 10:13:14 |
| lotus_ | Bloated slow obfuscated piece of ... code | 10:13:57 |
| *  kitsune yawns after M4tthew, even though he dislikes Electron | 10:14:17 |
| kitsune | lotus_: your feedback is accepted, thank you. | 10:14:27 |
| kitsune | You've made yourself utterly clear. | 10:14:35 |
| lotus_ | kitsune I'd like to know | 10:16:01 |
| kitsune | This feedback has been here for many times and sorry, is not going to change anything. Electron does have its niche, and I have absolutely no problem to have a Matrix client on a web-page. Actually, it's CONVENIENT, you know. | 10:16:05 |
| lotus_ | kitsune Matthew, so you are going with electron client without any Plan B? Is this your strategy and main product? Web-page?! | 10:16:20 |
| kitsune | Meanwhile, I'm hacking on my own client in C++. | 10:16:28 |
| kitsune | lotus_: how much money do you have to fund me? | 10:16:46 |
|  AppAraat joined the room. | 10:17:32 |
 neilalexander | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
kitsune Matthew, so you are going with electron client without any Plan B? Is this your strategy and main product? Web-page?! You keep referring to "Plan B" as if Riot is failing or has failed. It is not and has not | 10:18:03 |
| cos | AFAIK the plan is to have an ecosystem of clients, and Riot is just the reference implementation. | 10:18:52 |
