| 22 Nov 2019 |
 neilalexander | Especially for anyone who has suffered GTK or Qt on macOS :-) | 09:56:29 |
 cos | I agree it sucks technically, but you get it "free" if you have a web client. | 09:56:36 |
 lotus_ | ever heard of QTCreator? | 09:56:47 |
| neilalexander | But what I am not really sure of is whether you are here to discuss the merits of Matrix vs XMPP and how it might actually work for you, or whether you are here just to throw criticism and deflect help | 09:57:02 |
| cos | Perhaps some day NV can afford to create a proper Riot desktop with Qt | 09:57:03 |
 Foks | In reply to@lotus_:matrix.org
ever heard of QTCreator? it sucks lol | 09:57:03 |
| lotus_ | Fits both GTK and QT perfectly | 09:57:12 |
|  Nicolas Le Gland joined the room. | 09:58:01 |
| Foks | In reply to@lotus_:matrix.org
I personally refuse to participate in such maddness, to run a web-client in kind-a-desktop version of it, which is just a browser with only one tab with that riot-web, crap. Should we have something C++, Rust, Python at least for primary desktop client? XMPP for example does have a lot of proper desktop clients, which are really decent, and zero electron shit which xmpp clients are you talking about? I've yet to see a good useable one | 09:58:12 |
| lotus_ | cos right, matrix there for about few years and yet, only one client completed and it is web client, sad. | 09:58:44 |
 Mathijs | In reply to @f0x:pixie.town
which xmpp clients are you talking about? I've yet to see a good useable one I'd like to know as well. Part of the reason I went to matrix was the lack of good desktop clients | 09:59:13 |
| cos | Is Riot web considered completed? | 09:59:26 |
| lotus_ | Foks, wow, MANY, Miranda, PSI+, pidgin, Gajim, Profanity, irssi, A LOT of 'em | 09:59:36 |
| Mathijs | In reply to @cos:hacklab.fi
Is Riot web considered completed? hell no :) | 09:59:40 |
| Mathijs | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
Foks, wow, MANY, Miranda, PSI+, pidgin, Gajim, Profanity, irssi, A LOT of 'em none of them work very well in my experience | 09:59:54 |
| Mathijs | I never got OMEMO to work with pidgin | 10:00:11 |
| Mathijs | for instance | 10:00:15 |
| Foks | In reply to@lotus_:matrix.org
Foks, wow, MANY, Miranda, PSI+, pidgin, Gajim, Profanity, irssi, A LOT of 'em yeah no | 10:00:39 |
| lotus_ | is omemo considered xmpp protocol basic functionality? | 10:00:45 |
| lotus_ | otr works perfectly for instance | 10:00:56 |
| lotus_ | as well as GPG | 10:01:05 |
|  benpa joined the room. | 10:01:49 |
| lotus_ | I mean, there is about 20+ clients for xmpp, and they are all written with real code, not some electron adaptation of web-page. | 10:02:09 |
| Foks | only thing I can say to people who want are so focused on a "native" desktop client is go help out existing project to do so/donate to them/start your own project
It's pretty useless to just sit here and scream at NV for making, imo, the right choice
| 10:02:15 |
| neilalexander | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
I mean, there is about 20+ clients for xmpp, and they are all written with real code, not some electron adaptation of web-page. https://matrix.org/clients/ | 10:02:34 |
| Foks | In reply to@lotus_:matrix.org
I mean, there is about 20+ clients for xmpp, and they are all written with real code, not some electron adaptation of web-page. there's 20+ matrix clients too, and just like the xmpp ones they're not usable currently | 10:02:48 |
| *  Matthew yawns at the "oh my god you have an electron app you must suck" polemic | 10:02:55 |
| neilalexander | Also FWIW I think it's great that you can open Riot in the browser when you're out and about | 10:03:02 |
| lotus_ | neilalexander I know t hat page, I've been looking at it for third day in a row, and there is nothing much to see | 10:03:12 |
| lotus_ | It is great, but it is should be side feature, not the main one | 10:03:31 |
