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22 Nov 2019
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexanderEspecially for anyone who has suffered GTK or Qt on macOS :-)09:56:29
@cos:hacklab.ficosI agree it sucks technically, but you get it "free" if you have a web client.09:56:36
@lotus_:matrix.orglotus_

ever heard of QTCreator?

09:56:47
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexanderBut what I am not really sure of is whether you are here to discuss the merits of Matrix vs XMPP and how it might actually work for you, or whether you are here just to throw criticism and deflect help09:57:02
@cos:hacklab.ficosPerhaps some day NV can afford to create a proper Riot desktop with Qt09:57:03
@f0x:pixie.townFoks
In reply to@lotus_:matrix.org

ever heard of QTCreator?

it sucks lol
09:57:03
@lotus_:matrix.orglotus_

Fits both GTK and QT perfectly

09:57:12
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@f0x:pixie.townFoks
In reply to@lotus_:matrix.org

I personally refuse to participate in such maddness, to run a web-client in kind-a-desktop version of it, which is just a browser with only one tab with that riot-web, crap. Should we have something C++, Rust, Python at least for primary desktop client? XMPP for example does have a lot of proper desktop clients, which are really decent, and zero electron shit

which xmpp clients are you talking about? I've yet to see a good useable one
09:58:12
@lotus_:matrix.orglotus_

cos right, matrix there for about few years and yet, only one client completed and it is web client, sad.

09:58:44
@mathijs:matrix.vgorcum.comMathijs
In reply to @f0x:pixie.town
which xmpp clients are you talking about? I've yet to see a good useable one
I'd like to know as well. Part of the reason I went to matrix was the lack of good desktop clients
09:59:13
@cos:hacklab.ficosIs Riot web considered completed? 09:59:26
@lotus_:matrix.orglotus_

Foks, wow, MANY, Miranda, PSI+, pidgin, Gajim, Profanity, irssi, A LOT of 'em

09:59:36
@mathijs:matrix.vgorcum.comMathijs
In reply to @cos:hacklab.fi
Is Riot web considered completed?
hell no :)
09:59:40
@mathijs:matrix.vgorcum.comMathijs
In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org

Foks, wow, MANY, Miranda, PSI+, pidgin, Gajim, Profanity, irssi, A LOT of 'em

none of them work very well in my experience
09:59:54
@mathijs:matrix.vgorcum.comMathijsI never got OMEMO to work with pidgin10:00:11
@mathijs:matrix.vgorcum.comMathijsfor instance10:00:15
@f0x:pixie.townFoks
In reply to@lotus_:matrix.org

Foks, wow, MANY, Miranda, PSI+, pidgin, Gajim, Profanity, irssi, A LOT of 'em

yeah no
10:00:39
@lotus_:matrix.orglotus_

is omemo considered xmpp protocol basic functionality?

10:00:45
@lotus_:matrix.orglotus_

otr works perfectly for instance

10:00:56
@lotus_:matrix.orglotus_

as well as GPG

10:01:05
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@lotus_:matrix.orglotus_

I mean, there is about 20+ clients for xmpp, and they are all written with real code, not some electron adaptation of web-page.

10:02:09
@f0x:pixie.townFoks

only thing I can say to people who want are so focused on a "native" desktop client is go help out existing project to do so/donate to them/start your own project

It's pretty useless to just sit here and scream at NV for making, imo, the right choice

10:02:15
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexander
In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org

I mean, there is about 20+ clients for xmpp, and they are all written with real code, not some electron adaptation of web-page.

https://matrix.org/clients/
10:02:34
@f0x:pixie.townFoks
In reply to@lotus_:matrix.org

I mean, there is about 20+ clients for xmpp, and they are all written with real code, not some electron adaptation of web-page.

there's 20+ matrix clients too, and just like the xmpp ones they're not usable currently
10:02:48
* @matthew:matrix.orgMatthew yawns at the "oh my god you have an electron app you must suck" polemic10:02:55
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexanderAlso FWIW I think it's great that you can open Riot in the browser when you're out and about10:03:02
@lotus_:matrix.orglotus_

neilalexander I know t hat page, I've been looking at it for third day in a row, and there is nothing much to see

10:03:12
@lotus_:matrix.orglotus_

It is great, but it is should be side feature, not the main one

10:03:31

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