| 22 Nov 2019 |
 joepie91 | lotus_: then make a better and clearer point! | 10:41:09 |
| joepie91 | because every time I've seen you talk, it's been about web/JS/Electron complaints in some way | 10:41:18 |
| *  kitsune has been through a particular nasty piece of his code just half an hour ago - sorry for being harsh. | 10:41:37 |
| joepie91 | and this just isn't constructive in any way | 10:41:44 |
|  lotus_ left the room. | 10:42:04 |
 martin ➬ | guys, don't engage, unless it increases choice or potential. ;) ♥ | 10:42:07 |
| martin ➬ | *guys and gals | 10:42:33 |
| kitsune | I just vented off, didn't expect anything constructive from the guy anyway. | 10:42:54 |
| kitsune | Sorry. | 10:43:01 |
| martin ➬ | no need to apologise for all I'm concerned. | 10:43:41 |
| martin ➬ | there's just no point in convincing anyone in a public channel. xkcd covered it. topic closed. | 10:44:12 |
| * joepie91 occasionally gets to deal with people with this sort of judgmental and decisive attitude in other channels, and no matter how nice or pleasant you are, there's basically zero chance that they'll change their behaviour towards something constructive | 10:45:09 |
 whiteweaver | Hey, can I complain too? Because I have my own reservations against electron and js. | 10:45:09 |
| * kitsune looks in his process explorer and... 173 Mb for Quaternion (with debug switched on). I don't think Riot can fit into that :) | 10:47:18 |
| kitsune | So yeah, let all flowers bloom. | 10:47:47 |
|  hamburghammer joined the room. | 10:47:58 |
| martin ➬ | whiteweaver: yeah, in #whiteweaver's-own-reservations-aainst-electron-and-js please :) | 10:48:31 |
 Jeroen | In reply to * @kitsune:matrix.org
looks in his process explorer and... 173 Mb for Quaternion (with debug switched on). I don't think Riot can fit into that :) I get that it's good practice to keep code as small as possible but is this, in the multigigabyte RAM age for even the smallest stuff, still such a big issue? Just askin... | 10:48:59 |
| joepie91 | (the only thing that sometimes works is calling out their behaviour...) | 10:49:43 |
| Jeroen | In reply to * @kitsune:matrix.org
looks in his process explorer and... 173 Mb for Quaternion (with debug switched on). I don't think Riot can fit into that :) * I get that it's good practice to keep code as small as possible but is this, in the multigigabyte RAM age for even the smallest devices, still such a big issue? Just askin... | 10:49:28 |
 Cadair | my desktop has 32G of RAM, I will take the features of Riot over small ram footprint. On the other hand, I have other lower powered machines where this really isn't the tradeoff I am willign to make. | 10:49:54 |
| joepie91 | meh, my HS went offline for a bit | 10:50:02 |
| Cadair | * my desktop has 32G of RAM, I will take the features of Riot over small ram footprint. On the other hand, I have other lower powered machines where this really isn't the tradeoff I am willing to make. | 10:50:07 |
 neilalexander | In reply to @jeroen:im.leptonics.com
I get that it's good practice to keep code as small as possible but is this, in the multigigabyte RAM age for even the smallest devices, still such a big issue? Just askin... In developing parts of the world it might be a bit more of a consideration | 10:50:32 |
| neilalexander | Not everyone's walking around with 8GB RAM :-) | 10:50:46 |
| joepie91 | it's worth keeping in mind that much of the 'developing world' is mainly smartphone-dominated | 10:51:03 |
| kitsune | In reply to @jeroen:im.leptonics.com
I get that it's good practice to keep code as small as possible but is this, in the multigigabyte RAM age for even the smallest devices, still such a big issue? Just askin... Well, my most laptop only has 8 Gb, so yes, 200 Mb against 700 Mb do count for a simple messenger. And I know quite a few people who don't have even 8 Gb RAM. | 10:52:00 |
| Jeroen | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
it's worth keeping in mind that much of the 'developing world' is mainly smartphone-dominated You beat me, wanted to say that as well... but even these devices have "considerable" RAM (compared to the IBM XT I started with ;-) ) | 10:52:00 |
| joepie91 | (so things like mobile app battery use may be higher priorities for those demographics) | 10:51:49 |
| kitsune | * In reply to @jeroen:im.leptonics.com
I get that it's good practice to keep code as small as possible but is this, in the multigigabyte RAM age for even the smallest devices, still such a big issue? Just askin... Well, my modest laptop only has 8 Gb, so yes, 200 Mb against 700 Mb do count for a simple messenger. And I know quite a few people who don't have even 8 Gb RAM. | 10:52:21 |
