| 22 Nov 2019 |
 tulir | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
kitsune Matthew, so you are going with electron client without any Plan B? Is this your strategy and main product? Web-page?! you do realize that mainstream chat apps also only have a web client for desktop, right? Slack, WhatsApp, Discord, etc | 10:18:53 |
 neilalexander | I am no fan of Electron either - I started writing a native macOS client because I wanted an alternative - but I also accept that Riot works perfectly fine, suits lots of users perfectly well and is a nice and glossy "first impression" on a lot of new Matrix users | 10:18:54 |
 Mathijs | In reply to @neilalexander:matrix.org
I am no fan of Electron either - I started writing a native macOS client because I wanted an alternative - but I also accept that Riot works perfectly fine, suits lots of users perfectly well and is a nice and glossy "first impression" on a lot of new Matrix users did you just call riot a gateway drug? :D | 10:19:32 |
 kitsune | I wouldn't mind it being one :-D | 10:19:48 |
| neilalexander | In reply to @mathijs:matrix.vgorcum.com
did you just call riot a gateway drug? :D If it is then I'm hooked! | 10:19:55 |
| kitsune | That's how I drag in my family in! | 10:20:06 |
| Mathijs | In reply to @neilalexander:matrix.org
If it is then I'm hooked! yeah, same here | 10:20:12 |
 swedneck:permaweb.io | don't do riot, kids | 10:20:13 |
| kitsune | "Just you go to this, uh, web page, darling" | 10:20:36 |
|  Sijmen Schoon joined the room. | 10:21:18 |
| kitsune | * That's how I drag my family in! | 10:21:34 |
 lotus_ | tulir the point is that, mainstreat chat apps and their model should be an example only in a way as open source app should not looks like, and I am not meaning it GUI, but back-end and strategy overall | 10:22:53 |
| neilalexander | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
tulir the point is that, mainstreat chat apps and their model should be an example only in a way as open source app should not looks like, and I am not meaning it GUI, but back-end and strategy overall Matrix is a standard, it is freely available and anyone is welcome to contribute clients in any form they like :-) | 10:23:28 |
|  lx joined the room. | 10:24:02 |
| neilalexander | No one is holding anyone at gunpoint to write more Electron clients | 10:24:11 |
| lotus_ | standart without any proof-of-work doesn't cost anything! and Riot now is an example of how it is looks, it is basically a face of matrix! | 10:24:34 |
| Mathijs |
proof-of-work
🤣
| 10:24:50 |
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 cos | Matrix is just a series of pipes, you can put anything you like in the end of them. | 10:25:43 |
| neilalexander | Right, much in the way that XMPP and IRC are | 10:27:03 |
| lotus_ | alright, then tell me, what is the point of using matrix, not xmpp? name few reasons for that | 10:27:48 |
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| lotus_ | but remember, xmpp is decentralized too, and complete open source server and client side | 10:28:11 |
| neilalexander | Channels and chats that don't disappear just because you close your client, for one | 10:28:31 |
| lotus_ | and have varuous encryption options and many more (XEP) | 10:28:38 |
| lotus_ | neilalexander neither disappear in xmpp if you make 'em persistent | 10:29:01 |
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| neilalexander | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
neilalexander neither disappear in xmpp if you make 'em persistent "Defaults reveal the soul" | 10:29:26 |
| lotus_ | is that it? | 10:29:43 |
| tulir | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
tulir the point is that, mainstreat chat apps and their model should be an example only in a way as open source app should not looks like, and I am not meaning it GUI, but back-end and strategy overall I mean in terms of product strategy, a web app obviously works just fine, otherwise everyone wouldn't be using electron | 10:30:05 |
