| 22 Nov 2019 |
 Foks | In reply to@lotus_:matrix.org
Foks, wow, MANY, Miranda, PSI+, pidgin, Gajim, Profanity, irssi, A LOT of 'em yeah no | 10:00:39 |
 lotus_ | is omemo considered xmpp protocol basic functionality? | 10:00:45 |
| lotus_ | otr works perfectly for instance | 10:00:56 |
| lotus_ | as well as GPG | 10:01:05 |
|  benpa joined the room. | 10:01:49 |
| lotus_ | I mean, there is about 20+ clients for xmpp, and they are all written with real code, not some electron adaptation of web-page. | 10:02:09 |
| Foks | only thing I can say to people who want are so focused on a "native" desktop client is go help out existing project to do so/donate to them/start your own project
It's pretty useless to just sit here and scream at NV for making, imo, the right choice
| 10:02:15 |
 neilalexander | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
I mean, there is about 20+ clients for xmpp, and they are all written with real code, not some electron adaptation of web-page. https://matrix.org/clients/ | 10:02:34 |
| Foks | In reply to@lotus_:matrix.org
I mean, there is about 20+ clients for xmpp, and they are all written with real code, not some electron adaptation of web-page. there's 20+ matrix clients too, and just like the xmpp ones they're not usable currently | 10:02:48 |
| *  Matthew yawns at the "oh my god you have an electron app you must suck" polemic | 10:02:55 |
| neilalexander | Also FWIW I think it's great that you can open Riot in the browser when you're out and about | 10:03:02 |
| lotus_ | neilalexander I know t hat page, I've been looking at it for third day in a row, and there is nothing much to see | 10:03:12 |
| lotus_ | It is great, but it is should be side feature, not the main one | 10:03:31 |
 Mathijs | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
is omemo considered xmpp protocol basic functionality? to me it is, yeah | 10:03:47 |
| neilalexander | I have not tried Quarternion, Nheko or Spectral but I think they have enough users to be considered at least successful | 10:04:08 |
| lotus_ | Matthew, so you are going with electron client without any Plan B? Is this your strategy and main product? Web-page?! | 10:04:19 |
| Mathijs | but if you set a low bar like that, most matrix clients on the matrix.org/clients list are perfectly usable | 10:04:27 |
| Foks | In reply to@lotus_:matrix.org
Matthew, so you are going with electron client without any Plan B? Is this your strategy and main product? Web-page?! lol stop complaining already Matrix is an open spec go make whatever | 10:04:57 |
| lotus_ | neilalexander oh come on, I am on Nheko rn, it is a joke, not a client, I can't even change notifications, mute certain rooms, and do basic functionality, only reason I am on Nheko is that It is C++ client with E2E encryption! | 10:05:28 |
| Mathijs | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
Matthew, so you are going with electron client without any Plan B? Is this your strategy and main product? Web-page?! dude, no need to be insulting, just because someone once told you 'electron is bad' doesn't mean that's actually always the case | 10:05:30 |
 cos | Slack is electron + web and successful. It takes gigabyte of memory but people still use it. | 10:05:41 |
| lotus_ | I ain't insulting nobody | 10:06:08 |
| neilalexander | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
I ain't insulting nobody 386mb RAM on my system at the moment, and that's joined to quite a selection of channels. It looks like the resource usage in Riot has definitely improved a lot | 10:06:25 |
| lotus_ | cos that is what I am talking about! | 10:06:27 |
 Oda Nobunaga | Quaternion is working on encryption for C++ and Qt client. | 10:06:39 |
|  Erik joined the room. | 10:06:45 |
| Mathijs | In reply to @lotus_:matrix.org
I ain't insulting nobody regardless, you're just complaining and not doing anything productive | 10:06:46 |
| lotus_ | it is also RUN processor for 30% in steady | 10:06:48 |
| lotus_ | for no reason | 10:06:52 |
| Mathijs | come to thing of it, I think I'm just better off ignoring | 10:06:59 |
