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Discussion of specific Matrix Spec Change (MSC) proposals and surrounding ideas | https://spec.matrix.org/unstable/proposals/ | SCT Board: https://github.com/orgs/matrix-org/projects/31 | Old design drafts: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4wHq8qP86r2ck15MHEwMmlNVUk 185 Servers

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1 Feb 2023
@travis:t2l.ioTravisRVoice messages have a text fallback which isn't alt text 😛 18:29:29
@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoI mean that making something not notifying is a visual thing and often adds a visual highlight or the opposite of that18:30:10
@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoThen you said it doesn't apply to voice messages18:30:21
@travis:t2l.ioTravisRRed highlight is not a characteristic of an event, but rather push rules. The "automated event" flag is to hint to clients that it's an automated event, and they can do whatever they want with that information.18:30:37
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@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoNow what does apply to voice messages is adding a description for people who can't hear. Same as it does for images or videos for people who can't see18:31:07
@travis:t2l.ioTravisR The replacement push rule for notices is not currently aiming to blanket-apply to all automated messages, but rather just text messages. 18:31:13
In reply to @deepbluev7:neko.dev
Now what does apply to voice messages is adding a description for people who can't hear. Same as it does for images or videos for people who can't see
The text fallback can be a transcription for a voice message. Alt text is more applicable for images/video than text fallback. It's a very subtle distinction around accessibility and purpose.
@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoWell, I am going to buy dinner now, so I don't really have time to argue, but I am also not that convinced, that the line of allowed Mixin and not allowed isn't very blurry. And it does feel like it would cut out useful features to draw it in the first place18:34:28
@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoBut that feedback is a bit late now anyway :p18:34:53
@travis:t2l.ioTravisRThere is no such thing as a text-based mixin right now, deliberately 😛 18:35:22
@travis:t2l.ioTravisR the m.caption content block is used by multiple different event types though 18:35:38
@travis:t2l.ioTravisRAlt text I think is also somewhere in a proposal, but also not considered part of the critical path18:35:53
* @travis:t2l.ioTravisR makes a note to clarify how file captions are meant to work in the respective MSCs18:39:32
In reply to @cat:feline.support
Ok so The feature Cinny has i would need to see a event to tell how they are doing it
it doesn't do anything special event-wise. It just let you type a message when you want to send files and then send those as two different messages.
2 Feb 2023
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@arobertlong:matrix.orgRobert LongCan someone clarify what timezone timestamps are supposed to be in? I'm guessing UTC? https://spec.matrix.org/v1.5/#timestamps22:30:29
@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoThey are milliseconds since epoch22:31:12
@deepbluev7:neko.devNico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time 22:31:13
@deepbluev7:neko.devNico(which is UTC, yes)22:31:31
@arobertlong:matrix.orgRobert LongOk epoch specifies UTC TIL22:31:41
@arobertlong:matrix.orgRobert LongThanks!22:31:45
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3 Feb 2023
@mnesia:matrix.orgamnesiaFinally submitted draft PR of this beast of a MSC 🎉 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/396301:19:14
@mnesia:matrix.orgamnesiaJust don't tell anyone that I had to force-push to my fork 10 times in a row to get the commit amended right, signature and all 😭01:20:25
@mnesia:matrix.orgamnesiaSome days you wake up and git just hates you01:20:49
@tezlm:celery.eu.orgzestylemonade > Finally submitted draft PR of this beast of a MSC 🎉 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/3963 amnesia

as far as i can tell, this is just rolling your own proxy and baking it into matrix?


there's only really 2 benefits i can see with this, which is that it can strip unnecessary headers like user-agent and that it's built into matrix


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