| 25 May 2019 |
 Trigger#1239 | though the original source is long lost to me -- I had to get super specific with my search terms to find that image again | 02:11:41 |
| Trigger#1239 | My point in showing it was really just "lists of 'warning signs' or 'risk factors' have been hyperbolic and/or inaccurate for longer than clown world" | 02:13:07 |
| Trigger#1239 | just this week I've been sitting in cubicles working with IT personnel and having corporate printouts on active shooters in my face all day | 02:14:03 |
 LothusMarque | Well, this is true, but where "intelligent" and "also depressed" can be at least related to a lot of things, EVERYTHING in that "extremist" image is like "...what?" ...there's no way it's a serious thing, "clownworld" or no. | 02:14:07 |
| Trigger#1239 | Guy who posted it in Scrump's server confirmed it was a parody | 02:14:30 |
| Trigger#1239 | anyway those printouts are utterly hilarious in their active denial of reality | 02:15:03 |
| Trigger#1239 | full-color page, multiple paragraphs, instructions provided on how to figure out whether someone at work is going to shoot the place up | 02:16:10 |
| LothusMarque | "active denial of reality" .. you're going to have to actually explain why you're calling it that. Though I'm chuckling a bit at the whole instruction manual thing.
We've never had THAT kind at my work, just stuff about what to do WITH an active shooter. I work at a financial institution, after all. | 02:16:58 |
| Trigger#1239 | Nothing on the list of warning signs is remotely unusual except for the most blatantly stupid one | 02:17:09 |
| Trigger#1239 | "Increase in unsolicited comments about violence, firearms, or other deadly weapons or violent crimes" | 02:17:28 |
| Trigger#1239 | If your workplace has a nutjob of that caliber you'll notice him long before he starts making off-hand remarks about gunning everyone down | 02:18:05 |
| LothusMarque | Mmm. That's vague enough it could be interpreted a lot, but you could also say "Huh, that guy almost seems to be fishing to see if people agree with that recent shooter's manifesto" falls nicely under that. Or "all of a sudden all he can talk about is guns" ...yeah, it's a warning sign. Worth mentioning. I'm not seeing "actively deny reality" here. | 02:18:38 |
| LothusMarque | (If someone is a known shooting range nut or an avid collector of unusual guns, obviously if they're talking about that, meh. lol) | 02:19:12 |
| Trigger#1239 | There's context for that. The rest of the document operates under the assumption that any shooter threat is basically guaranteed to be a disgruntled employee. | 02:19:22 |
| Trigger#1239 | Motive is presumed. | 02:19:36 |
| Trigger#1239 | Only one possible angle of inquiry is laid out. | 02:19:48 |
| Trigger#1239 | It's possible this is due to brevity -- it's a single page, after all; people have limited time in corporate offices -- but this is a mass-murder scenario we're talking about. | 02:21:48 |
| Trigger#1239 | Motive isn't even a necessary topic for a "what to do if someone starts shooting" handout. | 02:22:08 |
| LothusMarque | Mm. I'm surprised they don't have one on general active shooters - like I said, mine was just "general shooter event" ...with a place that handles a lot of money, that's always a possibility. But if they're concerned about morale, and a lot of the company doesn't deal directly with the outside world... (I don't know what you're working in, but you said the IT department) | 02:22:10 |
| Trigger#1239 | Healthcare IT, if you want to get more specific. | 02:22:25 |
| LothusMarque | Good enough 😛 Either way, they work with other employees (Doctors and Nurses can be real pains, though), not general public calls. | 02:22:51 |
| Trigger#1239 | There are so many other possibilities that it's a waste of time -- for anyone who takes it seriously enough to actually go looking for possible mass murderers in the ranks of IT -- to give everyone a single line of inquiry | 02:24:11 |
| Trigger#1239 | Either don't mention it or go in-depth | 02:24:25 |
| Trigger#1239 | as it is it always appeared more harmful than beneficial whenever I read it | 02:24:44 |
| LothusMarque | I suppose? Just looking for "unusual stress and weird fixations on violence" and having some stuff to keep an eye on is probably not a bad thing. I haven't seen these so I'm going from the abstract, sorry. XD | 02:25:15 |
| Trigger#1239 | Nah you're doing just fine | 02:25:33 |
| Trigger#1239 | It's a one-pager; it's not as if it goes into any tremendous depth | 02:25:39 |
| Trigger#1239 | honestly if your workplace is bad enough that looking out for shooters is a real thing you need to do, maybe work on not having such a shit workplace first | 02:26:17 |
| Trigger#1239 | (or, more accurately, alongside looking out for employees who want revenge) | 02:27:28 |
| LothusMarque | To be honest, if management is worried enough about morale to do that, I'd agree... but most of that has to start at the top. Look at the Foxconn thing, where their response was to cut death benefits and add nets around the building rather than sort out the core issues. (I'm not passing direct judgement on anything, but when you try to patch a symptom that way, something's screwed up somewhere) | 02:28:20 |
