| 25 May 2019 |
 Trigger#1239 | and yes if memory serves this was from a school publication for parents | 02:11:19 |
| Trigger#1239 | though the original source is long lost to me -- I had to get super specific with my search terms to find that image again | 02:11:41 |
| Trigger#1239 | My point in showing it was really just "lists of 'warning signs' or 'risk factors' have been hyperbolic and/or inaccurate for longer than clown world" | 02:13:07 |
| Trigger#1239 | just this week I've been sitting in cubicles working with IT personnel and having corporate printouts on active shooters in my face all day | 02:14:03 |
 LothusMarque | Well, this is true, but where "intelligent" and "also depressed" can be at least related to a lot of things, EVERYTHING in that "extremist" image is like "...what?" ...there's no way it's a serious thing, "clownworld" or no. | 02:14:07 |
| Trigger#1239 | Guy who posted it in Scrump's server confirmed it was a parody | 02:14:30 |
| Trigger#1239 | anyway those printouts are utterly hilarious in their active denial of reality | 02:15:03 |
| Trigger#1239 | full-color page, multiple paragraphs, instructions provided on how to figure out whether someone at work is going to shoot the place up | 02:16:10 |
| LothusMarque | "active denial of reality" .. you're going to have to actually explain why you're calling it that. Though I'm chuckling a bit at the whole instruction manual thing.
We've never had THAT kind at my work, just stuff about what to do WITH an active shooter. I work at a financial institution, after all. | 02:16:58 |
| Trigger#1239 | Nothing on the list of warning signs is remotely unusual except for the most blatantly stupid one | 02:17:09 |
| Trigger#1239 | "Increase in unsolicited comments about violence, firearms, or other deadly weapons or violent crimes" | 02:17:28 |
| Trigger#1239 | If your workplace has a nutjob of that caliber you'll notice him long before he starts making off-hand remarks about gunning everyone down | 02:18:05 |
| LothusMarque | Mmm. That's vague enough it could be interpreted a lot, but you could also say "Huh, that guy almost seems to be fishing to see if people agree with that recent shooter's manifesto" falls nicely under that. Or "all of a sudden all he can talk about is guns" ...yeah, it's a warning sign. Worth mentioning. I'm not seeing "actively deny reality" here. | 02:18:38 |
| LothusMarque | (If someone is a known shooting range nut or an avid collector of unusual guns, obviously if they're talking about that, meh. lol) | 02:19:12 |
| Trigger#1239 | There's context for that. The rest of the document operates under the assumption that any shooter threat is basically guaranteed to be a disgruntled employee. | 02:19:22 |
| Trigger#1239 | Motive is presumed. | 02:19:36 |
| Trigger#1239 | Only one possible angle of inquiry is laid out. | 02:19:48 |
| Trigger#1239 | It's possible this is due to brevity -- it's a single page, after all; people have limited time in corporate offices -- but this is a mass-murder scenario we're talking about. | 02:21:48 |
| Trigger#1239 | Motive isn't even a necessary topic for a "what to do if someone starts shooting" handout. | 02:22:08 |
| LothusMarque | Mm. I'm surprised they don't have one on general active shooters - like I said, mine was just "general shooter event" ...with a place that handles a lot of money, that's always a possibility. But if they're concerned about morale, and a lot of the company doesn't deal directly with the outside world... (I don't know what you're working in, but you said the IT department) | 02:22:10 |
| Trigger#1239 | Healthcare IT, if you want to get more specific. | 02:22:25 |
| LothusMarque | Good enough 😛 Either way, they work with other employees (Doctors and Nurses can be real pains, though), not general public calls. | 02:22:51 |
| Trigger#1239 | There are so many other possibilities that it's a waste of time -- for anyone who takes it seriously enough to actually go looking for possible mass murderers in the ranks of IT -- to give everyone a single line of inquiry | 02:24:11 |
| Trigger#1239 | Either don't mention it or go in-depth | 02:24:25 |
| Trigger#1239 | as it is it always appeared more harmful than beneficial whenever I read it | 02:24:44 |
| LothusMarque | I suppose? Just looking for "unusual stress and weird fixations on violence" and having some stuff to keep an eye on is probably not a bad thing. I haven't seen these so I'm going from the abstract, sorry. XD | 02:25:15 |
| Trigger#1239 | Nah you're doing just fine | 02:25:33 |
| Trigger#1239 | It's a one-pager; it's not as if it goes into any tremendous depth | 02:25:39 |
| Trigger#1239 | honestly if your workplace is bad enough that looking out for shooters is a real thing you need to do, maybe work on not having such a shit workplace first | 02:26:17 |
| Trigger#1239 | (or, more accurately, alongside looking out for employees who want revenge) | 02:27:28 |
