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18 Sep 2020
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19 Sep 2020
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Why not emacs? I'm configuring ATM. Will share once done.
Cool. Thank you 👍🏼
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@bady:poddery.comPirate Bady there's a room for emacs enthusiasts #emacs:poddery.com 03:59:35
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there's a room for emacs enthusiasts #emacs:poddery.com
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@gokuldas:matrix.orggoku12* akts: On a side note, I am not surprised why vscode isn't there. I use to be a fan, but now I avoid it as much as possible. vscode is another one of those wolves in sheep's clothing. It starts with a great developer experience, but it nudges you to proprietary code. Many useful plugins like Live Share work only on ms compiled proprietary binary - not even on custom built binary. I had to use LiveShare to help my colleagues and had to install proprietary binary for that. What reason can you think of for a plugin to work with only proprietary blob of an OSS codebase? This isn't just a matter of ideology. Resource isolation on most OS is poor and most executables have access to all personal files and caches. You should be very weary of apps that artificially prevent you from examining its source. Some might argue that we should just forget the proprietary extensions and use only the OSS version of vscode. But to me, this behaviour falls in the category of 'carrot and stick' or 'bait and switch'. While users have the option to stick with OSS version, it encourages and nudges the user to migrate to proprietary software. That to me is even worse than closed source software.11:03:05
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20 Sep 2020
@gokuldas:matrix.orggoku12Warning: RANT. I was planning to learn mechanical CAD. The only affordable industry standard CAD was Fusion 360 from Autodesk. It has a free personal license. The free license is used widely by hobbyist 3D printing community. Some of my friends recommended it too. I don't know if anyone heard this news, but Autodesk removed a lot of features from Fusion 360 just a few days ago. This includes ability to work on more than 10 files, and the ability to export the file in STEP format. Luckily, I hadn't invested any time yet. But this ruins countless number of hours of work by many hobbyists. People knew that this was coming - they did the same with Eagle (electronic CAD) after they bought Cadsoft.15:48:18
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Many people argue that Autocad had the right to do it - especially since the free license users users don't pay any money. But remember that the users wouldn't be using Fusion360 and losing countless hours of work in the process if there was never a free version in the first place. Fusion 360 wouldn't be so popular if colleges didn't recommend it for its free personal license. Autocad basically gained a huge market for Fusion360 with its free license.

This is basically bait and switch. Bait the users with a free license and then switch them forcibly to paid version when they cannot afford to go off the platform. NEVER EVER PROMOTE COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE WITH FREE LICENSES - they are dishonest and a way to attract you and trap you into their eco-system, like a moth to a flame. You can trust commercial software without free licenses more than ones with free licences.

15:55:57
@gokuldas:matrix.orggoku12On the free software side, the best we have so far is FreeCAD. But it's nowhere near the industry standard, though it's getting better. I guess it's fair to assume that FreeCAD development suffered because of free license CAD like Fusion360. FreeCAD would have got much more attention from developers otherwise. I hazard a guess that this was intended by Autocad. Anyway, FreeCAD is now facing an influx of disgruntled ex-Fusion360-free users. Many would be disappointed. But hopefully, it will also mean much more developer attention for FreeCAD. On a personal note, I feel it's better to learn C++17 and contribute to FreeCAD than to invest time in learning a software from an untrustworthy and greedy company. 16:00:53
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Many people argue that Autocad had the right to do it - especially since the free license users users don't pay any money. But remember that the users wouldn't be using Fusion360 and losing countless hours of work in the process if there was never a free version in the first place. Fusion 360 wouldn't be so popular if colleges didn't recommend it for its free personal license. Autocad basically gained a huge market for Fusion360 with its free license.

This is basically bait and switch. Bait the users with a free license and then switch them forcibly to paid version when they cannot afford to go off the platform. NEVER EVER PROMOTE COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE WITH FREE LICENSES - they are dishonest and a way to attract you and trap you into their eco-system, like a moth to a flame. You can trust commercial software without free licenses more than ones with free licences.

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@athulvis1:matrix.orgAthulC++ 17??16:15:16
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C++ 17??
C++ Language standards revision. There was C++11, C++14, C++17 and a C++20 (recent)
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@athulvis1:matrix.orgAthul Aswin Karuvally akts goku12Free for mentoring in https://camp.fsf.org.in ? 16:17:02
@athulvis1:matrix.orgAthul
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C++ Language standards revision. There was C++11, C++14, C++17 and a C++20 (recent)
Oh.. like Fortran90, 95 etc.. I didn't know C++ has versions too
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@gokuldas:matrix.orggoku12@Athul Yes. Fortran, C, C++ and Ada are standardized languages. C++ is standardized by ISO. 11, 14, 17 and 20 are all years in which the standard was ratified.16:19:33
@athulvis1:matrix.orgAthul goku12: Yeah.. Just checked the wiki page.. 16:21:54
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21 Sep 2020
@telegram_293342249:tchncs.deMadhav V (Telegram) https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/09/arc-menus-lead-dev-just-quit 07:24:51
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22 Sep 2020
@gokuldas:matrix.orggoku12Can anyone suggest a good recovery tool for installing lineageOS?01:48:44
@bady:poddery.comPirate Badyi'm using TWRP for a long time01:50:33
@gokuldas:matrix.orggoku12Thanks!02:02:39
@telegram_293342249:tchncs.deMadhav V (Telegram)Twrp is the mainstream one. There might be some spinoffs though depending on the device.04:56:56

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