| 26 Jul 2021 |
 Charadon | Eh, I was just wondering. And as it turns out, yes, someone ported GCC to amiga a looooong time ago. | 03:53:52 |
| Charadon | GCC 4.2 was the last version to be ported by the looks of it. | 03:54:22 |
 SoulFire Media | Huh, sounds like traditional Amiga devs wrote their own pseudo-OSes arcade-style to maximize performance. Kinda like Vulkan vs OpenGL. | 03:56:01 |
| SoulFire Media | I wonder what asm language they used | 03:56:26 |
| Charadon | You mean where when you launch the game, the game had it's own OS? | 03:56:44 |
| SoulFire Media | In a way, yeah | 03:56:56 |
| Charadon | I think a lot of game consoles did that too | 03:57:12 |
| SoulFire Media | They just wrote assembly for their entire software and the boot sequence functioned essentially like an OS boot sequence, if I understand the issue correctly | 03:57:52 |
| Charadon | All the way up to the original xbox now that I think about it. Because all Xbox games had their own modified versions of Windows CE from what I know.
But back to amiga, it's pretty crazy what people had to do to get software running back then, I can't imagine writing anything outside of drivers in assembly nowadays. | 03:59:44 |
| Charadon | I remember trying to learn x86 assembly to see what it was like, and I just remember the manual being massive. | 04:00:44 |
| SoulFire Media | I’ve started tinkering in x86. | 04:01:03 |
| Charadon | I didn't get past doing basic math in assembly, I think. | 04:01:17 |
| SoulFire Media | 
Download ima_c468835.png | 04:01:27 |
| SoulFire Media | A hello world OS program in x86. Not much but it’s a start. | 04:02:05 |
| Charadon | Damn, that's pretty cool! | 04:02:25 |
| SoulFire Media | I’d love to just write asm but unfortunately for logistics sake I have to surrender to the devices of C | 04:03:07 |
| Charadon | Out of curiousity, and i've never experimented with this so I don't know much about it. But I think you can do assembly code in C, do you do that? | 04:04:10 |
| Charadon | In-line assembly is what I think it's called | 04:04:43 |
 unit327 | Yes that is a thing but unless you are a wizard the compiler will prob be better at optimising it than you. | 04:10:54 |
| unit327 | There are now infinity% more cabbages in my game demo. | 04:11:12 |
| SoulFire Media | In reply to @Charadon:matrix.iotib.net
In-line assembly is what I think it's called IIRC yes. You can also write binary in C using 0b. | 04:44:36 |
| SoulFire Media | In reply to @unit327:matrix.org
Yes that is a thing but unless you are a wizard the compiler will prob be better at optimising it than you. I wish to become a wizard, that’s half the point of writing assembly | 04:45:02 |
 inv41idu53rn4m3 | Biggest thing I've written in assembly was I think quicksort in this funny simulated architecture with like 20 instructions or less | 07:46:37 |
| inv41idu53rn4m3 | (as in the architecture had less than 20 instructions, my code was probably longer) | 07:47:24 |
| inv41idu53rn4m3 | Implemented my own call stack and some funky manual tail call optimisation by "returning" to the wrong address | 07:51:40 |
| inv41idu53rn4m3 | I love how freeform assembly programming can be, how so many of the notions of structural programming can break down at times | 07:53:06 |
 planetis | In reply to @inv41idu53rn4m3:matrix.org
Biggest thing I've written in assembly was I think quicksort in this funny simulated architecture with like 20 instructions or less Some sort of game? | 09:27:15 |
| inv41idu53rn4m3 | No, just a sorting algorithm for an assignment. The reason it was of any significance was that I wrote a recursive algorithm in a language without function calls or returns when the assignment called for a basic iterative algorithm like selection sort | 09:30:09 |
| planetis | i remembered human resource machine had a sorting task at the ending which was fun | 09:48:36 |
| Charadon | In reply to @starconstructor:matrix.org
IIRC yes. You can also write binary in C using 0b. Now that makes me wonder if there's anyone who's ever made a game using nothing but binary =P | 14:51:35 |
