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17 Nov 2019
22:16:53@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_byou have done original work, and implemented math for a purpose
22:16:57@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bmeanwhile, very large companies have built patents on software
22:17:03@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bthere are two threats in the USA to your interests, that I know of
22:17:24@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bone is for a company to take your work, and use it in their own work, or to make money, against the license you decided on
22:17:51@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bthe second is for a company or other, to assert that you have used patented material in your work
22:18:26@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bnotes about the origin, the rough contents, what you decided to do, and when you do it.. help to establish facts if you have to fight about these two things, or other things
22:18:54@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bI am not a lawyer, but I live in the USA, so I am talking about things I know a little bit, not much, about.. in the USA
22:19:38@freenode_phma:matrix.orgphma it's in a git repo. every time I added some math to the code, the date and a description are in the git log.
22:21:46@freenode_phma:matrix.orgphmaI need to make dinner so that I can talk with the other surveyor at a good time for him
22:22:11@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bgood to chat phma, great news about your product being published soon
22:31:42@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bping carliker
18 Nov 2019
01:38:28@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bhi flicstar
01:38:53@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_btwo observations as you march along there.. one is about Mapnik, the other general
01:39:37@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bsome things on OSGeoLive are more interesting to a coder.. someone who can build a system out of parts.. Mapnik is sort of like that ..
01:40:18@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bin addition, Mapnik was written by a lone genius originally, and is very much OpenstreetMap .. (mapnik was *the* rendering engine for OSM for a long time)
01:41:31@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_b the OSM people are culturally diverse, as far as nerd culture goes.. but its fair to say that OSM project attracted a lot of hardened "outsiders", almost like punks and anarchists, you might say, with a nerd twist.. OSM core people rode the wave of huge, early expansion
01:42:02@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_b .. of OSM, and were definitely "not invented here" attitude.. a phrase that means roughly, if we didnt think of it, we dont want it
01:42:36@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bOSGeo dot org fell into that category .. OSM has never been super cuddly friendly with OSGeo, and sometimes far less than friendly
01:43:54@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_b astroidex / Astrid can say more about the modern state of affairs, she is the one that stood on stage this year at an OSM conference and delivered the "state of relations between OSGeo and OSM" comments.. I have not heard it yet.. it was in German
01:44:58@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_b so Mapnik got replaced these days.. we get the old Mapnik, which is still used but much less.. and also some "so what" glances toward OSGeo.. with all that said, it is not entirely surprising that the Quickstart for Mapnik was not adequate
01:45:16@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_b(I fixed some Mapnik things here at one point, but from the code side, not the docs side)
01:46:04@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_b secondly, overall.. there are "libraries" .. or programming environments.. and your fellow Aussie Cameron was always *against* documenting those
01:46:48@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_b Cameron's vision of docs was more like "non-technical user or boss-type person gets a demo" .. so the emphasis is on professional presentation quality and good editing.. not at all about programming things
01:47:23@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bmeanwhile, Brian (me) comes from the home of programming.. everything is programming here, or was... and slowly, the worlds converge
01:48:06@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_b.. as college students and regular smart people are able to do more and more code things, with better tools, interfaces and docs
01:48:26@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bI *favor* including programming things.. I think its very relevent .. things like SciTools Iris or Jupyter
01:49:18@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_b..w e never agreed on that .. years have passed.. Mapnik is somehwat in the programmers tools category .. so, a second reason why the Quickstart may not have been very good
01:56:33@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bdoes that make sense flicstar?
02:11:17@freenode_darkblue_b:matrix.orgdarkblue_bhm - bad connection

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