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22 Mar 2021
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * The thing to do here is actually to not talk to them while they are in that mood, and to talk to them after that personal emotional state (mood) passes. But this is sometimes impossible, because they will actively seek out social interaction and conflict (even while they are in such a destructive/hurtful mood). Whatever you do, don't challenge their sense of self and social position and authority (ego) during this state, or you'll end up being blacklisted and you'll experience a tornado of an outlash from them at your person (verbal, emotional, and perhaps even physical abuse). What they're looking for most of all is for their emotions to be acknowledged/validated (without condescension), and their ego to be stroked.15:47:29
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * The thing to do here is actually to not talk to them while they are in that mood, and to talk to them after that personal emotional state (mood) passes. But this is sometimes impossible, because they will actively seek out social interaction and conflict (even while they are in such a destructive/hurtful mood). Whatever you do, don't challenge their sense of self and social position and authority (ego) during this state, or you'll end up being blacklisted and you'll experience a tornado of an outlash from them at your person (verbal, emotional, and perhaps even physical abuse). What they're looking for most of all when in this state is for their emotions to be acknowledged/validated (without condescension), and their ego to be stroked.15:48:15
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * The thing to do here is actually to not talk to them while they are in that mood, and to do talk to them after that personal emotional state (mood) passes. But this is sometimes impossible, because they will actively seek out social interaction and conflict (even while they are in such a destructive/hurtful mood). Whatever you do, don't challenge their sense of self and social position and authority (ego) during this state, or you'll end up being blacklisted and you'll experience a tornado of an outlash from them at your person (verbal, emotional, and perhaps even physical abuse). What they're looking for most of all when in this state is for their emotions to be acknowledged/validated (without condescension), and their ego to be stroked.15:49:46
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

The thing to do here is actually to not talk to them while they are in that mood, and to do talk to them after that personal emotional state (mood) passes. But this is sometimes impossible, because they will actively seek out social interaction and conflict (even while they are in such a destructive/hurtful mood).

Whatever you do, don't challenge their sense of self and social position and authority (ego) during this state, or you'll end up being blacklisted and you'll experience a tornado of an outlash from them at your person (verbal, emotional, and perhaps even physical abuse).

What they're looking for most of all when in this state is for their emotions to be acknowledged/validated (without condescension), and their ego to be stroked.

15:50:10
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

The thing to do here is actually to not talk to them while they are in that mood, and to do talk to them after that personal emotional state (mood) passes. But this is sometimes impossible, because they will actively seek out social interaction and conflict (even while they are in such a destructive/hurtful mood).

Whatever you do, don't challenge their sense of self and social position and authority (ego) during this state, or you'll end up being blacklisted and you'll experience a tornado of an outlash from them at your person (verbal, emotional, and perhaps even physical abuse).

What they're looking for most of all when in this state is for their emotions to be acknowledged/validated (without condescension), and their ego to be stroked.

This is because NTs see their emotions as inseparable from their ego, from their sense of self.

15:51:41
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

The thing to do here is actually to not talk to them while they are in that mood, and to do talk to them after that personal emotional state (mood) passes. But this is sometimes impossible, because they will actively seek out social interaction and conflict (even while they are in such a destructive/hurtful mood).

Whatever you do, don't challenge their sense of self and social position and authority (ego) during this state, or you'll end up being blacklisted and you'll experience a tornado of an outlash from them at your person (verbal, emotional, and perhaps even physical abuse).

What they're looking for most of all when in this state is for their emotions to be acknowledged/validated (without condescension), and their ego to be stroked.

This is because, unlike most autistic people, NTs see their emotions as inseparable from their ego, from their sense of self.

15:53:00
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

The thing to do here is actually to not talk to them while they are in that mood, and to do talk to them after that personal emotional state (mood) passes. But this is sometimes impossible, because they will actively seek out social interaction and conflict (even while they are in such a destructive/hurtful mood).

Whatever you do, don't challenge their sense of self and social position and authority (ego) during this state, or you'll end up being blacklisted and you'll experience a tornado of an outlash from them at your person (verbal, emotional, and perhaps even physical abuse).

What they're looking for most of all when in this state is for their emotions to be acknowledged/validated (without condescension), and their ego to be stroked.

This is because, unlike most autistic people, NTs see/feel their emotions as inseparable from their ego, from their sense of self.

15:53:15
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

The thing to do here is actually to not talk to them while they are in that mood, and to do talk to them after that personal emotional state (mood) passes. But this is sometimes impossible, because they will actively seek out social interaction and conflict (even while they are in such a destructive/hurtful mood).

Whatever you do, don't challenge their sense of self and social position and authority (ego) during this state, or you'll end up being blacklisted and you'll experience a tornado of an outlash from them at your person (verbal, emotional, and perhaps even physical abuse).

What they're looking for most of all when in this state is for their emotions to be acknowledged/validated (without condescension), and their ego to be stroked.

This is because, unlike most autistic people, NTs see/feel their emotions as inseparable from their ego, from their sense of self, and they require social interaction and empathy from others to balance themselves.

16:00:08
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

The thing to do here is actually to not talk to them while they are in that mood, and to do talk to them after that personal emotional state (mood) passes. But this is sometimes impossible, because they will actively seek out social interaction and conflict (even while they are in such a destructive/hurtful mood).

Whatever you do, don't challenge their sense of self and social position and authority (ego) during this state, or you'll end up being blacklisted and you'll experience a tornado of an outlash from them at your person (verbal, emotional, and perhaps even physical abuse).

What they're looking for most of all when in this state is for their emotions to be acknowledged/validated (without condescension), and their ego to be stroked.

This is because, unlike most autistic people, NTs see/feel their emotions as inseparable from their ego, from their sense of self, and they require social interaction and emotional empathy from others to balance themselves.

16:02:06
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

The thing to do here is actually to not talk to them while they are in that mood, and to do talk to them after that personal emotional state (mood) passes. But this is sometimes impossible, because they will actively seek out social interaction and conflict (even while they are in such a destructive/hurtful mood).

Whatever you do, don't challenge their sense of self and social position and authority (ego) during this state, or you'll end up being blacklisted and you'll experience a tornado of an outlash from them at your person (verbal, emotional, and perhaps even physical abuse).

What they're looking for most of all when in this state is for their emotions to be acknowledged/validated (without condescension), and their ego to be stroked.

This is because, unlike most autistic people, NTs see/feel their emotions as inseparable from their ego, from their sense of self, and they require social interaction and emotional empathy from others to balance themselves.

16:05:07
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

The thing to do here is actually to not talk to them while they are in that mood, and to do talk to them after that personal emotional state (mood) passes. But this is sometimes impossible, because they will actively seek out social interaction and conflict (even while they are in such a destructive/hurtful mood).

Whatever you do, don't challenge their sense of self and social position and authority (ego) during this state, or you'll end up being blacklisted and you'll experience a tornado of an outlash from them at your person (verbal, emotional, and perhaps even physical abuse).

What they're looking for most of all when in this state is for their emotions to be acknowledged/validated (without condescension), and their ego to be stroked.

This is because, unlike most autistic people, NTs see/feel their emotions as inseparable from their ego, from their sense of self, and they require direct social interaction and emotional empathy from others to balance themselves.

16:06:13
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

The thing to do here is actually to not talk to them while they are in that mood, and to do talk to them after that personal emotional state (mood) passes. But this is sometimes impossible, because they will actively seek out social interaction and conflict (even while they are in such a destructive/hurtful mood).

Whatever you do, don't challenge their sense of self and social position and authority (ego) during this state, or you'll end up being blacklisted and you'll experience a tornado of an outlash from them at your person (verbal, emotional, and perhaps even physical abuse).

What they're looking for most of all when in this state is for their emotions to be acknowledged/validated (without condescension), and their ego to be stroked.

This is because, unlike most autistic people, NTs see/feel their emotions as inseparable from their ego, from their sense of self, and they require direct social interaction and emotional affection/empathy from others to balance themselves.

16:11:01
23 Mar 2021
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@djkhalis:matrix.orgdjkhalis fleur_de_duck your icon _really_ caught my attention, do you know the artist's name?:D 19:33:30
@djkhalis:matrix.orgdjkhalisOh it had a watermark hehe, found it! Sorry for being weird, I really love that art style19:54:28
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24 Mar 2021
@ijyx:matrix.orgmoved to ijyx:cat.casaIf you tell me "I want X done" instead of "(Please) do X" my brain just... won't process it. I can't really explain it. Like, my english teacher told us she wants a note from each of us telling her what grade we would give ourselves. She did not say "Write a note about this and give/ send it to me". And now it's like... I *know* I have to do it. I've asked multiple people if it was mandatory (even though my teacher *said* it was mandatory). I understand that I have to do it. But part of me just... doesn't get it. If it's not worded in a "do this" way, it's like I can't transport the task to the actually-doing-stuff portion of my brain. Is this an autistic thing? Does anyone else have this? 09:23:34
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org

It sounds to me like you are rolling two different autistic things into one.

The first is the literal verbal understanding we have. Meaning that if someone doesn't specifically say "I want you to do this," we may not get it that they actually wanted us to do that now. An example of this would be your mom telling you, "It would be really nice to clean up this mess." You may simply agree with her assessment, and not get that that was actually her way of asking, "Can you clean up this mess?" We have a more literal understanding when it comes to language.

The second thing is executive dysfunction: finding a way to get your brain in the right mindset to do something. What you're describing in the second half sounds like executive dysfunction to me. You may need to connect that task with what's important in your life, mentally, and find a way to trick your brain into getting in the right mindset to do the task. Special interests always help.

But yeah, both of these are very much common autistic challenges/traits. Nods.

11:22:43
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

It sounds to me like you are rolling two different autistic things into one.

The first is the literal verbal understanding we have. Meaning that if someone doesn't specifically say, "I want you to do this," we may not get it that they actually wanted us to do that now. An example of this would be your mom telling you, "It would be really nice to clean up this mess." You may simply agree with her assessment, and not get that that was actually her way of asking, "Can you clean up this mess?" We have a more literal understanding when it comes to language.

The second thing is executive dysfunction: finding a way to get your brain in the right mindset to do something. What you're describing in the second half sounds like executive dysfunction to me. You may need to connect that task with what's important in your life, mentally, and find a way to trick your brain into getting in the right mindset to do the task. Special interests always help.

But yeah, both of these are very much common autistic challenges/traits. Nods.

11:24:03
@ijyx:matrix.orgmoved to ijyx:cat.casaIt's definitely not the first, because I *understand* I have to do it on some level. And she said she expects everyone to have it so there isn't actually much to misunderstand I don't think it's that aspect of executive dysfunction either (though it could be executive dysfunction) because if she had just worded it differently, I'd have much less of a problem doing it11:24:56
@ijyx:matrix.orgmoved to ijyx:cat.casait's more like she didn't press a button in my brain that needs to be pressed for me to do it11:25:20
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.orgThe right motivation is linked to executive functioning.11:25:52
@jez:petrichor.meJez (he/him) It's weird, and I've learned to account for it to some extent but still requests phrased less directly will take me longer to get to and take more energy. 11:26:01
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.orgWell, it makes sense if you think about it. We're all social creatures. If what someone says to us doesn't sound so important or urgent, we won't prioritise it, we won't be driven to complete it. This problem appears because of the mismatch in communication between autistic and NT verbal communication styles. When NTs don't ask autistically direct (brutally honest, clear and direct), we don't register the urgency or importance in their 'voice'. We may know that a task needs doing, it's importance, but we may not get the same emotional incentive/drive as our NT peers, simply because to us that emotional message didn't get through -- because of the mismatch in communication styles.11:31:37
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Well, it makes sense if you think about it. We're all social creatures. If what someone says to us doesn't sound so important or urgent, we won't prioritise it, we won't be driven to complete it. This problem appears because of the mismatch in communication between autistic and NT verbal communication styles. When NTs don't ask autistically direct (brutally honest, clear and direct), we don't register the urgency and/or importance in their 'voice'. We may know that a task needs doing, it's importance, but we may not get the same emotional incentive/drive as our NT peers, simply because to us that emotional message didn't get through -- because of the mismatch in communication styles.11:32:13
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Well, it makes sense if you think about it. We're all social creatures. If what someone says to us doesn't sound so important or urgent, we won't prioritise it, we won't be driven to complete it. This problem appears because of the mismatch in communication between autistic and NT verbal communication styles. When NTs don't ask autistically direct (brutally honest, clear and direct), we don't register the urgency and/or importance in their 'voice'. We may know that a task needs doing, and its importance, but we may not get the same emotional incentive/drive as our NT peers, simply because to us that emotional message didn't get through -- because of the mismatch in communication styles.11:33:13
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Well, it makes sense if you think about it. We're all social creatures. If what someone says to us doesn't sound so important or urgent, we won't prioritise it, we won't be driven to complete it. This problem appears because of the mismatch in communication between autistic and NT verbal communication styles. When NTs don't ask autistically direct (brutally honest, clear and direct), we don't register the urgency and/or importance in their 'voice'. We may know that a task needs doing, and its importance, but we may not get the same emotional incentive/drive as our NT peers, simply because to us that emotional message didn't get through -- because of the mismatch in communication styles. And the reason it takes more energy and effort is because you need to motivate yourself instead of having that external emotional push/motivation.11:35:15
@ijyx:matrix.orgmoved to ijyx:cat.casaooh that makes sense11:36:14

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