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26 Mar 2021
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Yep! This! You can view it this way, definitely. Because essentially it's a less developed understanding of autism. So it's describing autistic traits and behaviours, but with less knowledge about their origins. To be perfectly honest, it isn't a very useful diagnosis -- it's very vague and misleading. I don't quite understand why people still use it today.23:17:07
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Yep! This! You can view it this way, definitely. Because essentially it's a less developed understanding of autism. So it's describing autistic traits and behaviours, but with less knowledge about their origins. To be perfectly honest, it is not a very useful diagnosis -- it's very vague and misleading. I don't quite understand why people still use it today.23:17:46
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org
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But afaik autism doesnt cause social anhedonia or emotional detachment itself, or at least theyre not common traits
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Both of these are highly subjective and dependent on the person's environment. Autistics feel strongly emotionally attached and socially bonded in Autistic/neurodivergent circles. We have trouble relating to neurotypicals -- mostly because of the uninclusive, ableist culture NTs have.

If neurotypicals genuinely accepted autistic people for who we are and included us, we wouldn't feel this emotional distance.

23:18:59
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.orgTo be clear, this doesn't mean that you can't be autistic AND be schizophrenic or have STPD. It just means that the two are not directly linked. Although, come to think of it, my own research tells me that neurodiversity is a big, colourful spectrum, and that within it you could have autistic-schizophrenic traits -- where your neurotype is an inseparable mix of these two ND neurotypes, so that you wouldn't necessarily be able to tell them apart in you. But this is just the result of my own observations about nature.23:27:52
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * To be clear, this doesn't mean that you can't be autistic AND be schizophrenic or have STPD. It just means that the two are not directly linked. Although, come to think of it, my own research tells me that neurodiversity is a big, colourful spectrum, and that within it you could have autistic-schizophrenic traits -- where your neurotype is an inseparable mix of these two ND neurotypes, so that you wouldn't necessarily be able to tell them apart as distict in you. But this is just the result of my own observations about nature.23:28:47
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * To be clear, this doesn't mean that you can't be autistic AND be schizophrenic or have STPD. It just means that the two are not directly linked. Although, come to think of it, my own research tells me that neurodiversity is a big, colourful spectrum, and that within it you could have autistic-schizophrenic traits -- where your neurotype is an inseparable mix of these two ND neurotypes, so that you wouldn't necessarily be able to tell them apart as distict in you. But this is just the result of my own observations about nature. Current psychology isn't quite up to this point yet (in fact far from) in understanding neurodiversity and the human condition.23:30:44
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * To be clear, this doesn't mean that you can't be autistic AND be schizophrenic or have STPD. It just means that the two are not directly linked. Although, come to think of it, my own research tells me that neurodiversity is a big, colourful spectrum, and that within it you could have autistic-schizophrenic traits -- where your neurotype is an inseparable mix of these two ND neurotypes, so that you wouldn't necessarily be able to tell them apart as distict in you. But this is just the result of my own observations about nature. Current psychology isn't quite up to this point yet (in fact far from it) in understanding neurodiversity and the human condition.23:30:58
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org
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I liked this article: I identified with his experience that, once you've done it once or twice, public speaking is actually easier than having a conversation with the same strangers.

Oh yes! Definitely! Once you get over your stage fright (which not everyone can do, by the way), public monologuing is so much easier than holding a dialogue between people of different neurotypes -- not to mention a conversation with multiple people!

This is why autistic people do great in the performing arts, too.

What we have a much bigger challenge with is in interactively engaging our audience -- something that NTs often like to do. We are usually more academic and straightforward in our public speaking approach.

I've even known of two autistic politicians!! Now that's a tall order -- so much stress! :O

23:39:44
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org
In reply to @jez:petrichor.me
I liked this article: I identified with his experience that, once you've done it once or twice, public speaking is actually easier than having a conversation with the same strangers.
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Oh yes! Definitely! Once you get over your stage fright (which not everyone can do, by the way), public monologuing is so much easier than holding a dialogue between people of different neurotypes -- not to mention a conversation with multiple people!

This is why autistic people do great in the performing arts, too.

What we have a much bigger challenge with is in interactively engaging our audience -- something that NTs often like to do. We are usually more academic and straightforward in our public speaking approach.

On the side note: I've even known of two autistic politicians!! Now that's a tall order -- so much stress...! :O

23:41:02
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Oh yes! Definitely! Once you get over your stage fright (which not everyone can do, by the way), public monologuing is so much easier than holding a dialogue between people of different neurotypes -- not to mention a conversation with multiple people! This is why autistic people do great in the performing arts, too. What we have a much bigger challenge with is in interactively engaging our audience -- something that NTs often like to do. We are usually more academic and straightforward in our public speaking/performing approach. On the side note: I've even known of two autistic politicians!! Now that's a tall order -- so much stress...! :O23:42:19
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org
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Yet it holds practically no relation in terms of origin and traits/characteristics with it... 🙄

The only reason it was invented in the first place because schizophrenia was the closest thing psychologists could put it to at the time, having no searate diagnosis for autism.

Izzy, you have to bear in mind that psychology is still a new field of science. It still needs to do a lot of growing to develop into a truly reliable and comprehensive, accurate scientific field.

Only 60 years ago many psychologists were still secretely convinced that mental illnesses were caused by gazing at the moon for too long -- and I'm not even kidding! Hence the ableist term "lunatic" ("moonstruck").

(In fact the word "lunatic" was only removed from US federal laws in 2012!)

So feel free to look at what's written in psychology with a scrutinous eye, and not take it as clear and undeniable fact -- because it really isn't. It's still a very vague attempt at describing the complexities of the human condition.

23:57:20
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org
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Yet it holds practically no relation in terms of origin and traits/characteristics with it... 🙄

The only reason it was invented in the first place because schizophrenia was the closest thing psychologists could put it to at the time, having no searate diagnosis for autism.

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Izzy, you have to bear in mind that psychology is still a new field of science. It still needs to do a lot of growing to develop into a truly reliable and comprehensive, accurate scientific field.

Only 60 years ago many psychologists were still secretly convinced that mental illnesses were caused by gazing at the moon for too long -- and I'm not even kidding! Hence the ableist term "lunatic" ("moonstruck").

(In fact the word "lunatic" was only removed from US federal laws in 2012!)

So feel free to look at what's written in psychology with a scrutinous eye, and not take it as clear and undeniable fact -- because it really isn't. It's still a very vague attempt at describing the complexities of the human condition.

23:58:27
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Izzy, you have to bear in mind that psychology is still a new field of science. It still needs to do a lot of growing to develop into a truly reliable and comprehensive, accurate scientific field. Only 60 years ago many psychologists were still secretly convinced that mental illnesses were caused by gazing at the moon for too long -- and I'm not even kidding! Hence the ableist term "lunatic" ("moonstruck"). (In fact the word "lunatic" was only removed from US federal laws in 2012!) So feel free to look at what's written in psychology with a scrutinous eye, and to not take it as clear and undeniable fact -- because it really isn't. It's still a very vague (and ableist) attempt at describing the complexities of the human condition.23:59:06
27 Mar 2021
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Izzy, you have to bear in mind that psychology is still a new field of science. It still needs to do a lot of growing and maturing to develop into a truly reliable and comprehensive, accurate scientific field. Only 60 years ago many psychologists were still secretly convinced that mental illnesses were caused by gazing at the moon for too long -- and I'm not even kidding! Hence the ableist term "lunatic" ("moonstruck"). (In fact the word "lunatic" was only removed from US federal laws in 2012!) So feel free to look at what's written in psychology with a scrutinous eye, and to not take it as clear and undeniable fact -- because it really isn't. It's still a very vague (and ableist) attempt at describing the complexities of the human condition.00:01:43
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Yet it holds practically no relation in terms of origin and traits/characteristics with it... 🙄 The only reason it was invented in the first place because schizophrenia was the closest thing psychologists could put it to at the time, having no separate diagnosis for autism.00:03:34
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org
In reply to @ijyx:matrix.org
ehh that definitely sounds too positive abt asperger imo
* It's actually what happened. There's plenty of evidence supporting it. Read NeuroTribes and do your own research into his life and work. Despite how he has been slandered in the media lately, Asperger was NOT a bad man. He was a good human being, not without faults, but trying his best to do the right thing during a very-very difficult time in history, and stuck on the wrong side.
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@jez:petrichor.meJez (he/him) izzy I found you on Mastodon and sent a follow request, I hope you don't mind. 12:54:14
@jez:petrichor.meJez (he/him)Anyone else here on masto and want to connect? 12:55:11
@kunsi:franzi.businessFranziska@kunsi@chaos.social, but i post mostly in german12:55:34
@jez:petrichor.meJez (he/him)I already follow a couple of people here judging by avatars! 😊12:55:41
@jez:petrichor.meJez (he/him)I'm @petrichor@scholar.social12:56:08
@jez:petrichor.meJez (he/him) Franziska I follow a few people who post mainly in not-English, mostly German, French and Dutch. I feel like the exposure and occasional attempts to understand are probably good for my language processing. 12:58:27
@kunsi:franzi.businessFranziskai see13:04:56
@jboi:jboi.nl-> @jo:jo.wtf changed their profile picture.18:21:16
@ijyx:matrix.orgmoved to ijyx:cat.casa
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izzy I found you on Mastodon and sent a follow request, I hope you don't mind.
ooh that was you :) i knew the name was familiar
19:37:13
31 Mar 2021
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4 Apr 2021
@ijyx:matrix.orgmoved to ijyx:cat.casahttps://qua.name/izzy/ctioning-q172 i wrote something on functioning labels11:13:54
7 Apr 2021
@jez:petrichor.meJez (he/him)Whaaaaat... the local ASD diagnostic centre just sent me an SMS telling me to phone them to confirm my email address... 😖11:07:02
@jez:petrichor.meJez (he/him)This is after I was told the waiting list is 24 months long, so I guess this is good news?11:45:20
@djkhalis:matrix.orgdjkhalisThat's great!:)19:17:16

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