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29 Nov 2021
@sol:matrix.orgsolI tried once or twice to get my head around YNAB, but I never understood it, and it seemed too complicated :-(18:48:40
@sol:matrix.orgsolI gave up, realizing I didn't really use a budget to manage my finances, so IDNNAB.18:49:28
@simonmic:matrix.orgsmI remember their docs were really good on the general principles.. but I never used it down to all the nitty gritty details18:49:35
@simonmic:matrix.orgsmbut people really love YNAB, and we should definitely have a how-to for a hledger-ish version18:50:08
@simonmic:matrix.orgsmand a guide to budgeting techniques and which is most appropriate for which needs18:50:53
@sol:matrix.orgsol I think this makes much more sense to me than YNAB using virtual accounts ever did. 18:51:14
@sol:matrix.orgsolI think my brain just refuses to process virtual accounts.18:51:31
@sol:matrix.orgsol
In reply to @simonmic:matrix.org
all: https://github.com/zombor/hledger-envelope-budget is a new YNAB-style budgeting howto (from https://www.reddit.com/r/plaintextaccounting/comments/r4ah79/envelope_budgeting_in_hledger_without_virtuals/)
* I think this makes much more sense to me than YNAB using virtual accounts ever did.
18:51:49
@simonmic:matrix.orgsmwhat do you mean by virtual accounts ? "virtual" is one of those overloaded words in PTA..18:51:58
@simonmic:matrix.orgsm imaginary budget:foo accounts off to the side ? 18:52:26
@sol:matrix.orgsol... This is similar to the technique I use for tracking "Accrued" interest, and for tracking my credit card balance (i.e., how much I can still charge on my credit card)...18:54:02
@sol:matrix.orgsol
In reply to @simonmic:matrix.org
what do you mean by virtual accounts ? "virtual" is one of those overloaded words in PTA..
I mean [Bucket:Vacation] and [Assets:Checking] accounts: https://jackbaty.medium.com/plain-text-accounting-with-ledger-3ec5b27ef0a8
18:54:53
@simonmic:matrix.orgsmyes, that is madness (mixing real and imaginary top-level accounts)18:56:26
@simonmic:matrix.orgsmI like budget envelopes to be under real accounts (assets:checking:food). 18:58:03
@sol:matrix.orgsol
In reply to @simonmic:matrix.org
I like budget envelopes to be under real accounts (assets:checking:food).
Yup. Simple, and neat. Sub-accounts are a marvel! :-)
20:27:04
@sol:matrix.orgsolWhy are there so many benin{numbers} in this room?20:59:20
@simonmic:matrix.orgsmgood question21:00:06
@simonmic:matrix.orgsm benin: are you using a weird chat client 21:00:25
@sol:matrix.orgsol I wonder about amine as well... 21:01:02
@simonmic:matrix.orgsmoops, no longer here. Matrix will show stale "members" for a long time21:01:28
@sol:matrix.orgsolAll the other duplications seem to be clear cases of multiple clients.21:01:30
@amine:libera.chatamine?21:01:36
@sol:matrix.orgsol Hi, amine. I see there are two other users, amine8 and amine7 logged in. I'm wondering if all three are just you from different clients. 21:02:24
@amine:libera.chatamine hm I'm using thelounge, in the logs I see it did initially join as amine7 but then switched to amine automatically 21:03:36
@amine:libera.chataminejust thelounge+SASL basically21:03:53
@sol:matrix.orgsol

sm: Slight modification in conversions2.html:

EQUITYACCT:COMMPAIR        TOCOMMAMT
EQUITYACCT:COMMPAIR     -FROMCOMMAMT

should actually be:

EQUITYACCT:COMMPAIR        -TOCOMMAMT
EQUITYACCT:COMMPAIR          FROMCOMMAMT

This is because Equity: entry will be the opposite sign (i.e., negative) to the "TO" account (i.e., positive).

21:09:04
@simonmic:matrix.orgsmright you are, thanks21:10:15
@simonmic:matrix.orgsmthat muddies the waters a bit..21:10:51
@sol:matrix.orgsol amine: Thanks for the clarification, and sorry for the bother. 21:11:49
@amine:libera.chatamineno problem :)21:12:19

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