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16 Jul 2024
@telegram_1726266711:t2bot.ioMason
In reply to David Freeman
Also, are you familiar with Freedom Haven?
Yes. Why?
03:43:32
@telegram_1005217681:t2bot.ioBeLikeWater
In reply to Mason
Well one under consideration is Prospera. The other two are also in potential free cities but can't be disclosed until those government negotiations are completed.
Sounds great. Good work, Mason.
03:56:26
@telegram_1726266711:t2bot.ioMasonThanks!10:00:13
@telegram_284581830:t2bot.ioDavid FreemanOh yes! Alabama is way cheaper. I've stayed at marinas in Alabama.14:56:42
@telegram_6649179616:t2bot.ioRobin Vaz
In reply to David Freeman
Marina locations? I'll just continue to keep my floating homes on the hook where it's free. Marinas cost too much. Especially in Florida.
Have you considered Alabama?
14:45:05
@telegram_6649179616:t2bot.ioRobin Vaz
In reply to Mason
Well one under consideration is Prospera. The other two are also in potential free cities but can't be disclosed until those government negotiations are completed.
What about property rights in Prospera? Are they able to do land registry with the Honduran government? What about property tax? Do we need to pay to Prospera and then also to local municipalities?
14:44:14
@telegram_284581830:t2bot.ioDavid FreemanIn Arkansas, I had a marina slip with unlimited electric and water for only $150 per month.15:06:13
@telegram_682985384:t2bot.ioMohammad Yusuf
In reply to Mason
Things are going well. Still in discussions about a couple marina locations. Also making good progress on the Ark of Liberty. The hull is designed and we are verifying with finite element analysis. Does anyone else have any leads/ideas we can be working on and/or want to help with anything?
Hi,

I recently watched your presentation about The Ark of Liberty, and it's truly inspiring to see this concept come to life for the freedom of humanity. Iā€™m Mohammad Yusuf from V-Marine, a houseboat manufacturing company based in the Kingdom of Bahrain. We specialize in recreational floating structures and have extensive experience in small and medium-scale marine construction.

Our vision aligns with yours in many ways, as we also aim to build floating residential districts, though within the framework of existing governing structures. While I'm not entirely sure how we can directly assist you at this stage, we would love to explore potential collaboration opportunities. If you believe there are specific ways we can support your work, please feel free to reach out. We are eager to contribute to such an innovative and visionary project.
15:11:15
@telegram_6649179616:t2bot.ioRobin VazRedacted or Malformed Event16:53:43
@telegram_5119899592:t2bot.ioi3utm
In reply to David Freeman
Oh yes! Alabama is way cheaper. I've stayed at marinas in Alabama.
I would recommend Alabama as I am from there. šŸ™šŸ˜Š
19:21:22
@telegram_6649179616:t2bot.ioRobin Vaz
In reply to i3utm
I would recommend Alabama as I am from there. šŸ™šŸ˜Š
Sweet home Alabama.
19:46:22
@telegram_1726266711:t2bot.ioMason
In reply to Mohammad Yusuf
Hi,

I recently watched your presentation about The Ark of Liberty, and it's truly inspiring to see this concept come to life for the freedom of humanity. Iā€™m Mohammad Yusuf from V-Marine, a houseboat manufacturing company based in the Kingdom of Bahrain. We specialize in recreational floating structures and have extensive experience in small and medium-scale marine construction.

Our vision aligns with yours in many ways, as we also aim to build floating residential districts, though within the framework of existing governing structures. While I'm not entirely sure how we can directly assist you at this stage, we would love to explore potential collaboration opportunities. If you believe there are specific ways we can support your work, please feel free to reach out. We are eager to contribute to such an innovative and visionary project.
That would be amazing to chat further! I'll send you a DM so we can connect.
20:59:21
@telegram_1726266711:t2bot.ioMason
In reply to Robin Vaz
What about property rights in Prospera? Are they able to do land registry with the Honduran government? What about property tax? Do we need to pay to Prospera and then also to local municipalities?
Functionally, you only deal with Prospera. They run a registry and manage the taxes. The rates are very low and there is no need to also pay Honduran taxes.
20:57:52
@telegram_1726266711:t2bot.ioMason
In reply to Robin Vaz
Have you considered Alabama?
Not particularly. From a freedom perspective, becoming a permanent resident of the United States is a probably not a great idea since they then claim jurisdiction over you even after you leave.
20:58:48
17 Jul 2024
@telegram_6649179616:t2bot.ioRobin Vaz
In reply to Mason
Not particularly. From a freedom perspective, becoming a permanent resident of the United States is a probably not a great idea since they then claim jurisdiction over you even after you leave.
Yeah, I have heard about that. Hence, I am looking to stay in US possibly on a business visa in the future or similar option. I am losing part of my soul each day living in Canada. And I will take US temporary residency over Canada any given time if possible and available.
00:08:55
@telegram_6649179616:t2bot.ioRobin Vaz
In reply to Mason
Functionally, you only deal with Prospera. They run a registry and manage the taxes. The rates are very low and there is no need to also pay Honduran taxes.
Do you know how much is the condo fee and property tax for a unit in Dunes Residence?
00:12:13
@telegram_284581830:t2bot.ioDavid Freeman
In reply to Robin Vaz
Yeah, I have heard about that. Hence, I am looking to stay in US possibly on a business visa in the future or similar option. I am losing part of my soul each day living in Canada. And I will take US temporary residency over Canada any given time if possible and available.
USA > Canada
00:37:58
@telegram_1726266711:t2bot.ioMason
In reply to Robin Vaz
Do you know how much is the condo fee and property tax for a unit in Dunes Residence?
Taxes are 1% I believe and condo fees are reasonable <$250/month
03:14:56
@telegram_1696572584:t2bot.ioSteve Lowery idk if you all would like to be uh *tracked* but if you'd like to enter your information here with this guy (affiliated with the Free Cities Foundation & so on) and his website, here it is
https://freecitadels.com/people/
20:42:30
@telegram_1696572584:t2bot.ioSteve LoweryI have no reason to believe this guy is up to something bad, just that I think many of us have a reflexive disinclination to put personal information out in general, especially without our consent.20:43:11
@telegram_1696572584:t2bot.ioSteve Lowery * edit: D'oh! I see you're already on there. I'll leave this up in case anyone else is interested in it.

idk if you all would like to be uh *tracked* but if you'd like to enter your information here with this guy (affiliated with the Free Cities Foundation & so on) and his website, here it is
https://freecitadels.com/
https://freecitadels.com/people/
20:53:52
@telegram_1584105436:t2bot.ioAaronOr incorporate in some country and people own shares? Or habe a mutual type company more like an HOA?20:45:13
@telegram_1584105436:t2bot.ioAaronMore specifically what are the financial considerations of individuals?20:45:38
@telegram_1584105436:t2bot.ioAaronHow do we handle the finance piece of this project?20:44:08
@telegram_1584105436:t2bot.ioAaronJust raise shares of a cooperative?20:44:36
@telegram_1726266711:t2bot.ioMasonIndividuals can finance their own vessels however they want. I think marinas and platforms will most likely be financed as corporations23:34:15
18 Jul 2024
@telegram_486294044:t2bot.ioTudor joined the room.14:47:18
@telegram_486294044:t2bot.ioTudor
In reply to Steve Lowery
I have no reason to believe this guy is up to something bad, just that I think many of us have a reflexive disinclination to put personal information out in general, especially without our consent.
Hi. I'm running @FreeCitadels. I've listed projects and people for which there is public information, using just that info and nothing else. Happy to list, delist, or update any profiles. Also very open to feedback and ideas.

My goal is to help freedom projects promote themselves and help newcomers to this space figure out who's who and what's what.
14:37:30
20 Jul 2024
@telegram_1696572584:t2bot.ioSteve Lowery
In reply to Tudor
Hi. I'm running @FreeCitadels. I've listed projects and people for which there is public information, using just that info and nothing else. Happy to list, delist, or update any profiles. Also very open to feedback and ideas.

My goal is to help freedom projects promote themselves and help newcomers to this space figure out who's who and what's what.
Ya, thanks for what you are doing. AFAIK, there have been some limited instances of people involved in these projects being threatened or facing persecution, which is partly why I mention it. Of course we're all familiar with what Chad Elwartowski & Nadia (if I'm remembering her name correctly) went through (even if Elwartowski made the unforced error of being in Thailand's exclusive economic zone IIRC) and there has been some violence against political whistleblowers and their families in the last ~3-4 years here in the US as it has gone through a revolution.

Oh ya, there was also the very weird involvement of Ghislaine Maxwell (the associate of the late & very infamous Jeffry Epstein who seems to have been running child/under-age sex trafficking rings, partly for blackmail material) with maritime economic development groups. One can imagine that whatever network Ghislaine Maxwell worked for was looking to control influential maritime entrepreneurs through blackmail.

My point in all this is that not everyone who monitors us has good intentions. I've personally received some weird attention over the last few years, including a seemingly not-at-all-credible death threat. (Fortunately, I'm not important).
16:44:00
21 Jul 2024
@telegram_950853068:t2bot.ioOliver In today's article, we examine one of the ways in which nation-states will react to the disruptions threatening them: with highly acrobatic interpretations of their own laws, and even cheating by not respecting them.
"When governments cheat and don't respect their own rules - The example of France" : https://disruptive-horizons.com/p/when-governments-cheat-and-dont-respect
20:54:17

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