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9 Jan 2025
Robin Vaz	In reply to Mason Do you have links with details on these programs? https://www.griffithsandpartners.com/news-and-events/how-to-get-turks-and-caicos-residency/	16:10:54
Robin Vaz	* Yeah, this opens doors for other nations to build upon this concept. Maybe someone offers similar option for floating vessels. I wonder if Turks and Caicos may be interested in such a concept. I know they offer yearly resident visas that can be extended to such vessels. Or Barbados already has yearly welcome visa with no income tax where someone can anchor their floating vessel if possible and viable. Either way this is a good development.	17:58:09
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16 Jan 2025
Andrew J. STARR	Fun article from the revamped EscapeArtist - which, for those not in the know, is an old-school magazine for those seeking an international lifestyle. It has been through several different iterations. But anyway, I'm happy to see that this editorial of theirs is a pleasant read for Country Founders: https://www.escapeartist.com/blog/expat-utopia-lessons-from-the-republic-of-rose-island	08:10:48
Red Fuchs	In reply to Andrew J. STARR Fun article from the revamped EscapeArtist - which, for those not in the know, is an old-school magazine for those seeking an international lifestyle. It has been through several different iterations. But anyway, I'm happy to see that this editorial of theirs is a pleasant read for Country Founders: https://www.escapeartist.com/blog/expat-utopia-lessons-from-the-republic-of-rose-island there is a pattern that all governments that combine tyrannical power attack all projects of freedom; - Republic of Minerva (artificial islands) - Oceanbuilder (Thailand don’t like it) - Rose Island - Principality of Sealand (‘survived’) Fear of what will happen if a competition of freedom occurs 🤔 (who knows…)	14:36:16
MJ	For us libertarians: A) i have my eyes on Argentina 😜 B) this i see as a non-negotiable truth that as soon as our work starts to pay off, we will get unwelcoming guests (see ZEDEs, Minerva and for Seasteading maybe sea-blockads in future). The last currency is always bullets, i am sad to say, but it is. We should be prepared.	16:39:36
MJ	In reply to Red Fuchs there is a pattern that all governments that combine tyrannical power attack all projects of freedom; - Republic of Minerva (artificial islands) - Oceanbuilder (Thailand don’t like it) - Rose Island - Principality of Sealand (‘survived’) Fear of what will happen if a competition of freedom occurs 🤔 (who knows…) A) Fundamental backing/protection by a state B) Quick build-up of a Militia/Military Example: Israel A) England at first; later CZ and Poland B) Haganah and then IDF; one of the best militaries in the world nowadays	16:36:26
Robin Vaz	In reply to MJ For us libertarians: A) i have my eyes on Argentina 😜 B) this i see as a non-negotiable truth that as soon as our work starts to pay off, we will get unwelcoming guests (see ZEDEs, Minerva and for Seasteading maybe sea-blockads in future). The last currency is always bullets, i am sad to say, but it is. We should be prepared. I beg to differ. Atlas Island concept or seasteading institute platform may negate violence for a long time. A capitalist and not revolutionary mindset is the key. I don’t see Amish people being persecuted as much as revolutionaries. Some food for thought.	17:13:10
MJ	In general i agree, Seasteading could be a solution for a few years/decades. But it really does not scale. Nobody is going to do scaled production (except maybe fishing) on open water. It is a runaway solution for a single family or group of people.	18:27:58
MJ	In reply to Robin Vaz I beg to differ. Atlas Island concept or seasteading institute platform may negate violence for a long time. A capitalist and not revolutionary mindset is the key. I don’t see Amish people being persecuted as much as revolutionaries. Some food for thought. Nobody said revolutionary. Straw man. Nobody is splitting off land or else from anyone violently. Amish people have like 5 prerogatives, other than that they are tax slaves like everyone else. And even being harmless does not spare you violence, see the mormons: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_War Or even the slightest of wins took 37 years for those crazy people: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_status_of_Scientology_in_the_United_States	18:24:43
Red Fuchs	In reply to MJ In general i agree, Seasteading could be a solution for a few years/decades. But it really does not scale. Nobody is going to do scaled production (except maybe fishing) on open water. It is a runaway solution for a single family or group of people. I see things a little differently. there is little to be said against bringing industry onto the oceans, especially when you consider that cargo ships make up the largest share of global goods transport (floating havens). the important thing is that the technical issues must first be clarified (in the sense of being ready for the market)	19:11:10
Robin Vaz	I think if one pursues Atlas Island concept or consult with Seasteading Institute, they will be in good hands.	19:18:43
Robin Vaz	In reply to MJ In general i agree, Seasteading could be a solution for a few years/decades. But it really does not scale. Nobody is going to do scaled production (except maybe fishing) on open water. It is a runaway solution for a single family or group of people. I don’t think Atlas Island or Seasteading institute are professing to declare independence. They are professing to shop around for maritime flags that give us the most possible freedom under a jurisdiction. You may be able to live on high seas without a state flag but wolves normally mark their territory and I am not keen to be free lunch if I can avoid it.	19:16:46
Red Fuchs	In reply to Robin Vaz I beg to differ. Atlas Island concept or seasteading institute platform may negate violence for a long time. A capitalist and not revolutionary mindset is the key. I don’t see Amish people being persecuted as much as revolutionaries. Some food for thought. That's how many projects were handled before, except for Sealand before England, which was armed and had a good… reputation with the media and the people of England. I don't want to impose my ideas on anyone... unfortunately not many people think like that and then do it anyway. Successful ideas of freedom, as I said, generate resentment from certain entities...	19:17:02
Red Fuchs	similar to an insurance company or a service provider for security in the broadest sense.😉 and I'm landed with private cities again my brain is jumpy today🙃 @AMAGIschweiz and I'm thinking on a different level... or something like that	19:24:38
Mason	Certainly the Atlas Island plan is not to declare sovereignty. It is to use existing legal frameworks to find legal arbitrage between jurisdictions and force them to compete for you as a customer instead of own you as a serf.	19:48:04
17 Jan 2025
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Mason	A) Currently seeking a second engineering opinion to confirm everything checks out B) Shipyard TBD target price $500,000 C) Up to each owner D) Equatorial Atlantic year round or Caribbean in the winter and Mediterranean in the summer E) To start, this will involve provisioning in ports	09:14:02
MJ	In reply to Mason Certainly the Atlas Island plan is not to declare sovereignty. It is to use existing legal frameworks to find legal arbitrage between jurisdictions and force them to compete for you as a customer instead of own you as a serf. Ok, so where are we at the moment? A) the ship design you posted recently B) who will be producing it and at what aprox. Price? C) which flag? D) where is the water calm to stay; specific regions? E) how to get food on the ship. Every few days you need supply and a weed 'n' guns filled catamaran should not go to a nation state harbor 😜 By organizing merchants to come to the catamaran on sea for business?	09:11:07
Mason	I like this too! Anyone who wants to design/build/operate one would be a great asset! I don't have the bandwidth to take that on myself. I have been to a boat restaurant in the BVI which was really cool though!	09:27:05
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Red Fuchs	In reply to MJ Ok, so where are we at the moment? A) the ship design you posted recently B) who will be producing it and at what aprox. Price? C) which flag? D) where is the water calm to stay; specific regions? E) how to get food on the ship. Every few days you need supply and a weed 'n' guns filled catamaran should not go to a nation state harbor 😜 By organizing merchants to come to the catamaran on sea for business? E) I like the idea of a floating dealer’s(Trader)/package supplier (>>And so began the age of the seasteeder<<)	09:25:46
Red Fuchs	Imagine; your parcel on the high seas, full of expectation and then the >we couldn't find you your parcel has been returned<	09:30:26
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Michael Black Ritter	Forwarded message from channel Alexander-wallasch.de Todeschargen geplant? Wenn das stimmt, hat die Bundesregierung ein ernsthaftes Problem! Schwerwiegender Verdacht von Anwalt Tobias Ulbrich: https://www.alexander-wallasch.de/impfgeschichten/todeschargen-geplant-wenn-das-stimmt-hat-die-bundesregierung-ein-ernsthaftes-problem-2 www.alexander-wallasch.de/unterstuetzen	09:45:51
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