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22 May 2020
17:15:35@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoNheko.png
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17:18:38@ludwig:disko.mediaLudwigLooks awesome! Are the tags the circles on the very left?
17:18:37@deepbluev7:neko.devNico
In reply to @ludwig:disko.media
It's awesome that open source empowers them to do that. But that's also why only very few open source projects are actually widely used.
I think you are mistaken. Most open-source projects simply lack man power. Comparing something like blender to closed source software simply isn't fair, when they just now started being able to pay a few full-time developers. I can make an easy to use client, that can compete with closed source alternatives, if you pay me and a team of 100 devs to do so. But if the closed source competitors have 10 to 100x the team size, I don't think blaming the open-source projects popularity on their UX is fair.
17:19:36@deepbluev7:neko.devNico
In reply to @ludwig:disko.media
Looks awesome! Are the tags the circles on the very left?
No, right now the tags are the tag symbols, like you may find on clothing, if you buy it new. The circles are communities, the star are favorites.
17:20:44@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoI plan to add customizable images for tags at some point though
17:21:11@deepbluev7:neko.devNico(There is no support for that in the spec and I still have some UX issues to work through, before being able to do that)
17:21:18@ludwig:disko.mediaLudwigThat's a pretty cool idea of doing it. And I think it makes a lot of sense to group them together – all of these represent collections of rooms!
17:22:19@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoYeah, currently they basically work like a filter
17:22:37@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoSo if I just want to focus on nheko, I just select the Nheko tag
17:23:14@ludwig:disko.mediaLudwig
Als Antwort auf@deepbluev7:neko.dev
I think you are mistaken. Most open-source projects simply lack man power. Comparing something like blender to closed source software simply isn't fair, when they just now started being able to pay a few full-time developers. I can make an easy to use client, that can compete with closed source alternatives, if you pay me and a team of 100 devs to do so. But if the closed source competitors have 10 to 100x the team size, I don't think blaming the open-source projects popularity on their UX is fair.
I think open source UX ends up being bad, because they are underfunded/lack manpower. And even though there are a lot of UX designers out there nowadays, it's still quite rare for them to actually do open source work.
17:23:47@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoI.e. if I select the Nheko tag, I can be super focussed:
17:23:51@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoclipboard.png
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17:26:23@deepbluev7:neko.devNico
In reply to @ludwig:disko.media
I think open source UX ends up being bad, because they are underfunded/lack manpower. And even though there are a lot of UX designers out there nowadays, it's still quite rare for them to actually do open source work.
It is also hard to work together with designers, since many of them lack the skills to implement their suggestions themselves, so they can basically only complain about how some stuff works in someone elses software, which makes communication very hard. Also some developers may not have the time or lack some skills to implement UX feedback properly or they simply feel, like their project is being attacked. (The later shouldn't be the case, but it can be very hard to admit pain points in your work, that you spent months or years on)
17:26:58@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoWhich is why I think this room is amazing
17:31:40@ludwig:disko.mediaLudwigYeah, there definitely is some kind of a disconnect in the open source world. I agree, this room is fun already! Now we only need actual designers to join us here :p Until then, we can only try to research and share useful things ourselves :D
17:32:34@pioneer:matrix.orgpioneer
In reply to @deepbluev7:neko.dev
sent an image.
any Matrix channel to occasionally ask questions against Nheko?
17:32:38@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoWell, sometimes it feels like designers don't care about contributing to OS apart from website designs :D
17:33:14@deepbluev7:neko.devNico But they can of course prove me wrong and contribute to my client maybe that works
17:33:35@deepbluev7:neko.devNico
In reply to @pioneer:matrix.org
any Matrix channel to occasionally ask questions against Nheko?
Well, #nheko-reborn:matrix.org would be the obvious one :D
23 May 2020
08:32:17@pioneer:matrix.orgpioneer changed their display name from Serge Tarkovski to [pioneer].
24 May 2020
02:03:01@AndresCuccaro:matrix.orgAndyInstagram post I encountered that talks about Menu Icons and how to use them: https://www.instagram.com/p/CALIz3MAfXW/
02:03:58@AndresCuccaro:matrix.orgAndyIf you don't like instagram, you can visit this same post at https://www.bibliogram.art/p/CALIz3MAfXW/
15:40:05@ludwig:disko.mediaLudwigSo what's everyone's design workflow?
15:40:05@ludwig:disko.mediaLudwigHow do you come up with design ideas?
15:40:05@ludwig:disko.mediaLudwigDo you do design separately from development or at the same time?
15:40:07@ludwig:disko.mediaLudwigDo you test your designs?
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17:45:43@pioneer:matrix.orgpioneer changed their display name from [pioneer] to pioneer.
20:47:57@deepbluev7:neko.devNicoI don't really have that much of a process. I usually have a feature I or someone else wants. Usually that feature already has quite a few design contraints, of how the UX should be. Then I go with the intuitive and simple implementation. After that I may look at how others did it and send a screenshot into the Nheko or TWIM room. Usually none complains, rather most people are already happy with the initial design, but if someone voices concerns I usually iterate, until most people seem to be happy. Basically I abuse people for my work in the Nheko room :D
21:48:36@ludwig:disko.mediaLudwigI mean that's probably why they joined the room, so that's fine :D

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