| 19 Sep 2024 |
 Cat | assuming we actually did stuff like pair a validation schema with room versions | 10:21:43 |
 Olivier 'reivilibre' | it might be all well and good if m.org and d.m.org agree on some caps, but if lp.net is a bit older and wants to join later on, that's awkward for the user (assuming the user was someone-not-me in this case, since I guess it's my fault for not upgrading :p) | 10:22:14 |
 neilalexander | In reply to @reivilibre.element:librepush.net
it might be all well and good if m.org and d.m.org agree on some caps, but if lp.net is a bit older and wants to join later on, that's awkward for the user (assuming the user was someone-not-me in this case, since I guess it's my fault for not upgrading :p) Sounds like it would be working as designed then ;-) We can only accommodate so much before we have to turn around to users and say enough is enough, go and do something about it/upgrade/fix your stuff | 10:23:42 |
| Olivier 'reivilibre' | well the point here, the user is relatively powerless | 10:23:58 |
 Cadair | In reply to @reivilibre.element:librepush.net
well the point here, the user is relatively powerless That's also true of room versions, and is a thing that already exists | 10:24:10 |
| neilalexander | In the famous words of Microsoft, "Please contact your system administrator" | 10:24:14 |
| Olivier 'reivilibre' | room versions are introduced fairly slowly and take a while before they come into being the default | 10:24:53 |
| Olivier 'reivilibre' | but doing this on a more granular scale seems like something that mostly only bites users to me.. | 10:25:05 |
| neilalexander | If I went into the deep freeze for two years, was defrosted and tried to open Discord without having updated my phone in all of that time, I shouldn't be surprised when it doesn't want to connect. If I also thawed a mail server from 1994, I shouldn't be surprised that it doesn't know how to negotiate TLS or speak DNSSEC without being upgraded either. There's only so much we can do | 10:28:13 |
| Olivier 'reivilibre' | it'd be like if your SMTP server stopped receiving e-mails because it doesn't support the ..new... <marquee> tag in HTML, feels like it's at a different layer | 10:28:24 |
| neilalexander | It's just not possible for decentralised systems like this to be backward compatible endlessly. If you want the protocol to be able to move forward, then at some point you have to accept that old participants might break as a result. If it breaks and anyone cares enough that it broke, you can be sure it'll get upgraded | 10:30:26 |
| neilalexander | Somewhere you have to be prepared to draw a line of what you're prepared to support today | 10:31:19 |
 f0x | In reply to @neilalexander:dendrite.matrix.org
It's just not possible for decentralised systems like this to be backward compatible endlessly. If you want the protocol to be able to move forward, then at some point you have to accept that old participants might break as a result. If it breaks and anyone cares enough that it broke, you can be sure it'll get upgraded we're basically seeing that with media now, with at least a handful of larger, older servers struggling to update | 11:19:14 |
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| morguldir (Old) | https://matrix-client.matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/XWTbXipnKRUiCOdnlPuyeXCi 🤔 | 21:03:34 |
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| The Basket Weaving Admin [basket-weaving.kyrgyzstan.kg] | Need help with generating a valid ed25519 private and public keypair for /_matrix/key/v2/server, right now what I have doesn't seem to work (i removed "=" as docs said to) | 12:07:32 |
| The Basket Weaving Admin [basket-weaving.kyrgyzstan.kg] | Can anyone provide some simple example code for that? | 12:07:55 |
