| 1 Apr 2024 |
 @spoonymac:matrix.org | like for example i had a problem with docker compose not working with sops then this article (https://devcodef1.com/news/1189213/sops-and-docker-compose-clarified) mentioned the exact problem i had in the abstract but never provided a solution to it in the article even tho they mentioned they will do so, its so strange like what is the purpose? to clickbait people into going to their site? | 09:10:57 |
| @spoonymac:matrix.org changed their display name from spoonymac to макарони на сніданок. | 09:17:26 |
 defnull | AI generated articles make search engines more and more useless. For some topics you have to skip most top search results and look for domains you recognize. | 09:18:05 |
| @spoonymac:matrix.org | In reply to @defnull:matrix.cccgoe.de
AI generated articles make search engines more and more useless. For some topics you have to skip most top search results and look for domains you recognize. ohh so thats why, no wonder ive been reading many guides that seem so confusing | 09:19:04 |
 JT | yeah it's really just the next stage of SEO | 18:26:30 |
| JT | in the past it was easy to tell if a page was just spamming SEO words to get ranked high, so search engines blocked them and users could tell it was just ads and nothing else. Nowadays they look a lot more plausible like this | 18:27:24 |
 BrenBarn | yeah | 18:33:04 |
| BrenBarn | even apart from actual AI ones, I feel like there are a lot of low-quality places, junky "blogs" on Medium, etc., that may have been written by a person but just have really superficial information | 18:34:02 |
| BrenBarn | like it'll say "which of these web frameworks is the best?" and then for each one it'll just say stuff like "X is powerful and widely used, so it's worth considering" and then at the end it will say "ultimately the choice is up to you for your specific needs" | 18:34:40 |
| BrenBarn | * like it'll be titled "which of these web frameworks is the best?" and then for each one it'll just say stuff like "X is powerful and widely used, so it's worth considering" and then at the end it will say "ultimately the choice is up to you for your specific needs" | 18:34:51 |
 Michael | I have the feeling, that since SEO became a thing, the whole thing started degrading. Back then, it was harder to find the stuff I was actually looking for. Then the "Top 10", "Best ...", "Alternative to ..." and the "Comparison between ..., ..., ... and ..." (and so on) articles emerged with information scraped from other pages. Originally, they were only some of them in the top search results, but after some time, they tagged those pages crappy pages with every keyword one could think of and gave them different domains and designs. Nowadays, with the help of LLMs, some of them are so well-made, that you have to start reading them to figure out that they are just garbage typed by a computer. Though, they often share the same kind of design and structure. | 18:41:35 |
| BrenBarn | yeah | 18:42:38 |
| Michael | When I search for some built-in Python package, I often have to scroll down to find python.org wiki. | 18:42:40 |
| Michael | That's wild. | 18:42:54 |
| BrenBarn | yeah | 18:43:10 |
| Michael | * When I search for some built-in Python package, I often have to scroll down to find the python.org wiki. | 18:44:01 |
| BrenBarn | although to be fair some builtin packages have very simple names like "collections" or "random" that are inherently vulnerable to cannibalization by competing sites | 18:44:18 |
| BrenBarn | when I want to look up builtin packages I just go to directly to docs.python.org | 18:45:25 |
| BrenBarn | it feels to me like part of the issue with SEO is a lot of people have stopped realizing there is a distinction between an actual URL or domain and a search that gets to it | 18:45:51 |
| Michael | Well, yeah. I usually use a term like "python name_of_the_lib_built_in_lib". | 18:45:51 |
| BrenBarn | and browsers encourage that because the address bar is also a search bar | 18:46:12 |
| Michael | * Well, yeah. I usually use a term like "python name_of_the_lib_built_in_lib" or "python.org foo". | 18:46:35 |
| BrenBarn | so there's not such a distinction between typing "docs.python.org" as a URL and just typing "python documentation page" as a search | 18:46:40 |
| Michael | That is true. | 18:47:24 |
| 3 Apr 2024 |
|  LinearArray changed their profile picture. | 21:58:45 |
| 5 Apr 2024 |
|  @cubanlynx12:hackliberty.org joined the room. | 22:03:01 |
| @cubanlynx12:hackliberty.org | I can't use the main room | 22:19:34 |
| @cubanlynx12:hackliberty.org | mind if I post on topic stuff here? | 22:19:43 |
| 6 Apr 2024 |
| defnull | It's hard to be off-topic in #python-off-topic:matrix.org ;) | 07:13:04 |
 effendy | The problem is being on topic in the off-topic channel... | 07:21:26 |
