| 29 May 2023 |
 makadeade | In the case at hand, we are quite lucky - Yggdrasil is actively maintained and even if the docs are lacking you can always ask the guys who are working on the code some questions. | 22:32:29 |
 ufm | Well, I can indeed read "HOW" from the code itself without involving the authors. However, if I start asking "WHY IS IT DONE THIS WAY," then the authors will have to answer with that very documentation. To each and every one.
However, if I had to choose right now between "Version 0.5 released without documentation" and "Documentation released for Version 0.5 without code," I would choose "Version 0.5 released" Humans are weak, after all. :) | 22:39:31 |
| makadeade |
Humans are weak, after all.
Spitting some hard truths, I see ;-)
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| ufm | 
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| 30 May 2023 |
 Michal_Atlas | In reply to @nekit:puzyryov.ru
Pinecone started as a sort of reimplementation of yggdrasil 0.4, and is documented here: https://github.com/matrix-org/pinecone/wiki Thanks, I'm glad that it's nicely explained, but kinda nervous since it's another fork of a fork of a project that seems to have been mostly abandoned, and I really don't want to see all of these fall into tiny obscurity.
for which it'd seem better to cooperate on one implementation, perhaps with some variations, or feature flags to use this instead of that, rather than fragmenting even more with a new project, or am I mistaken? Perhaps since they're testing a different technology it'll be easier to do so separately and afterwards one will eventually win and be elected as what we'll try to push for as the new standard? | 00:54:13 |
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 Tom | In reply to @michal-atlas:matrix.org
Thanks, I'm glad that it's nicely explained, but kinda nervous since it's another fork of a fork of a project that seems to have been mostly abandoned, and I really don't want to see all of these fall into tiny obscurity.
for which it'd seem better to cooperate on one implementation, perhaps with some variations, or feature flags to use this instead of that, rather than fragmenting even more with a new project, or am I mistaken? Perhaps since they're testing a different technology it'll be easier to do so separately and afterwards one will eventually win and be elected as what we'll try to push for as the new standard? you might want to read up on the background (as linked!!) instead of just trying to tell people who are doing the thing how they are doing it wrong. | 13:25:25 |
| Michal_Atlas | Sorry, I didn't mean to tell anyone anything, I just wanted to explain exactly what seemed off to me and tried to get an explanation for it, since I didn't really find the total end-goal (especially in the context of replacing existing infrastructure) addressed anywhere in the different sites. Sorry if the phrasing was off. | 15:49:29 |
| makadeade | Look at lists of contributors to pinecone and yggdrasil-go repositories. Notice how Neil and Arceliar are at or near the top of both? There's more experimentation than fragmentation, I'd say. And Yggdrasil itself is an answer to cjdns. I wouldn't worry too much about fragmentation or longevity of the ideas represented here. | 16:02:57 |
| Michal_Atlas | Oh, I didn't realize that the overlap was that significant, that's true, okay, makes sense to me now, thank you.
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| 31 May 2023 |
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 ltrk | Hi, everyone! We just launched YGGwave - the radio stations catalog in the Yggdrasil intranet
https://94.140.114.241/yggwave
Feel free to share your stations here https://github.com/YGGverse/YGGwave#contributions or share your link / questions to dm | 13:39:15 |
| ltrk | * Hi, everyone! We just launched YGGwave - the radio stations catalog in the Yggdrasil intranet
http://[201:23b4:991a:634d:8359:4521:5576:15b7]/yggwave
Feel free to share your stations here https://github.com/YGGverse/YGGwave#contributions or share your link / questions to dm | 13:40:33 |
| ltrk | We are also running the search portal on distributed & open source engine, so you can discover another websites there
http://[201:23b4:991a:634d:8359:4521:5576:15b7]/yggo | 13:44:15 |
| ltrk | * We also providing the search portal on distributed & open source engine, so you can discover another websites there
http://[201:23b4:991a:634d:8359:4521:5576:15b7]/yggo | 13:51:32 |
| Tom | nice idea,
bit empty. | 14:05:41 |
| ltrk | In reply to @tomz:matrix.org
nice idea,
bit empty. yes) the from idea to implementation just few days, but I wish to make something original in the UI... something simple but useful. I saw some interesting radio stations in the web catalog (http://[21e:a51c:885b:7db0:166e:927:98cd:d186]) but won't to add those channels without authors agree, so an idea to make an announcement here first, read the proposes etc. Thank you for feedback! | 14:11:16 |
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| ufm | In reply to @ltrk:matrix.org
We also providing the search portal on distributed & open source engine, so you can discover another websites there
http://[201:23b4:991a:634d:8359:4521:5576:15b7]/yggo btw, another search: http://[202:f2bc:f800:7cc4:c109:7857:5cae:6630]/ (AKA http://go.ygg AKA http://go.ygg.at) | 19:14:05 |
| ufm | Indexes starting from the page http://[21e:a51c:885b:7db0:166e:927:98cd:d186]/ (AKA http://sites.ygg AKA http://sites.ygg.at) once a day. The crawler is launched at 23:00 UTC. | 19:18:30 |
| ltrk | In reply to @ufm:twinkle.lol
btw, another search: http://[202:f2bc:f800:7cc4:c109:7857:5cae:6630]/ (AKA http://go.ygg AKA http://go.ygg.at) yes, just today have discovered it in catalog, let's add to the index | 19:19:33 |
| ufm | In reply to @ufm:twinkle.lol
Indexes starting from the page http://[21e:a51c:885b:7db0:166e:927:98cd:d186]/ (AKA http://sites.ygg AKA http://sites.ygg.at) once a day. The crawler is launched at 23:00 UTC. Only websites with IP addresses in the range 200::/7 or those located in the domains .ygg/.ygg.at are being indexed. | 19:20:50 |
| Tom | In reply to @ufm:twinkle.lol
Only websites with IP addresses in the range 200::/7 or those located in the domains .ygg/.ygg.at are being indexed. maybe want to add ygg.flowee.org | 19:30:09 |
| ufm | In reply to @tomz:matrix.org
maybe want to add ygg.flowee.org Add your website here - http://[21e:a51c:885b:7db0:166e:927:98cd:d186]/ and it will start being indexed. | 19:33:14 |
| ufm | Tom: And check that the website does not block indexing through robots.txt. | 19:34:28 |
