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12 Dec 2018
09:20:33@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeir

That could work in some scenarios but:

  1. you need somebody trusted
  2. we might be back at; how would the fix be deployed? if by the DAO the community would see the fix
09:21:20@dorgjelli:matrix.orgdOrgJelliYes I agree, that needs some thought, but I think any improvement on the NPM model of today is a step in the right direction.
09:21:49@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeirYes, we are definitely way past NPM :)
09:22:27@dorgjelli:matrix.orgdOrgJelli😄🙌
09:23:42@ontologymachine:matrix.orgontologymachine
In reply to @dorgsog:matrix.org

That could work in some scenarios but:

  1. you need somebody trusted
  2. we might be back at; how would the fix be deployed? if by the DAO the community would see the fix
do you mean they would see the fix after or that there was a need for it to be fixed?
09:27:34@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeirI mean that either the trusted person would need to have direct upgrading permissions or the fix would have to vote in somehow? Then we would have a "trusted" person with full access or we would have to reveal the fix before it was live. Or do you have another process in mind? 🙂
09:34:08@dorgjelli:matrix.orgdOrgJelliI think you’re right Asgeir, a huge part of this is the “accountability protocol” revolving around “the fix”.
09:35:07@ontologymachine:matrix.orgontologymachinei was thinking of a system where members with very high rep and/or that was earned through a particular challenge would have access to this higher specificity of info about vulnerabilities and also to fixing them
09:35:15@dorgjelli:matrix.orgdOrgJelliI do see a possible solution, but it’s too much for this chat right now. We should continue designing this! If you feel compelled make a doc of what you’re thinking in the research repo
09:36:33@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeirWe are lucky this is a problem for the whole ecosystem and not just for us 🙂
09:37:04@ontologymachine:matrix.orgontologymachinetempered with a responsibility to fix them and harsh repercussions for exploiting or ignoring their position since there would be less people able to pick up their slack
09:39:37@ontologymachine:matrix.orgontologymachinetotally just thinking from the perspective of reducing the probability of bad actors being aware of a problem by reducing # of people who were able to know
09:39:54@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeir
In reply to @ontologymachine:matrix.org
i was thinking of a system where members with very high rep and/or that was earned through a particular challenge would have access to this higher specificity of info about vulnerabilities and also to fixing them
Then the highest rep holders would basically have the option to change the rules of the game. Idk. Need to think more about this 😛
09:41:14@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeirI mean that I need to think more about this. I see how that might be read as it was not intended
09:42:38@ontologymachine:matrix.orgontologymachine yea it would definitely require an analogue to quadratic voting in terms of mechanisms for constraining power so that someone can’t buy their way into unfair advantage
09:43:16@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeir👍
09:46:45@ontologymachine:matrix.orgontologymachine yeah totally i would be curious to see your map! btw i was conceptualizing high rep as indicating that someone had been around for longer and therefore would be less likely to act maliciously, as opposed to weakness being exposed to anyone, which could include someone who was there only as a bad actor
09:50:30@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeirYes, I am viewing rep the same way. But I am not sure about the implications of giving high rep holders so much power
09:51:13@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeirNot sure what map you mean?
09:52:23@ontologymachine:matrix.orgontologymachineone of y’all said you were going to map out the problem space i think!
09:52:49@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeiraha, yes. I think it was Jordan
09:57:59@ontologymachine:matrix.orgontologymachine

interesting to consider the dimensions between “someone who has highest probability of trustworthy behavior due to greater connection to the system in terms of length of time involved, care put into it, knowledge of how it works”

vs.

“someone who has performed high yield tasks within a system or bought their way in” re only their respective volumes of rep, which could be equal

09:59:04@ontologymachine:matrix.orgontologymachine whole wanting to retain simplicity
09:59:43@ontologymachine:matrix.orgontologymachine it definitely highlights the need to design in dimensionality
10:01:14@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeirYes, that's interesting. And rep can usually be bought by hiring somebody to earn rep for you
10:17:46@ontologymachine:matrix.orgontologymachine
In reply to @ontologymachine:matrix.org
it definitely highlights the need to design in dimensionality
or bought in exchange or earned in augur, adding to the intuition that high rep should correlate to high influence over how valuable rep is (by proportionally influencing which proposals are chosen to fund, business model decisions?) but someone needs a dimension of staking “deep” into the system to accurately reflect resources/labor/time put into it
10:19:19@ontologymachine:matrix.orgontologymachine
In reply to @ontologymachine:matrix.org
or bought in exchange or earned in augur, adding to the intuition that high rep should correlate to high influence over how valuable rep is (by proportionally influencing which proposals are chosen to fund, business model decisions?) but someone needs a dimension of staking “deep” into the system to accurately reflect resources/labor/time put into it
haha didn’t mean to respond to myself, anyway will have to read more about mechanism design for all that!
10:30:14@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeirRedacted or Malformed Event
10:30:44@dorgsog:matrix.orgdOrgAsgeirIn my view; rep (in contrast to tokens) is usually something that can not be transferred and therefore also not bought in exchanges. You could sell you private kay though..
15:50:29@dorgjelli:matrix.orgdOrgJelli Yes REP is traditionally an NFT (Non Fungible Token), non transferable

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