| 19 Apr 2024 |
 Midou | * especially knowing youtube, it would be the easiest thing they could pull off, changing the css styles randomly to throw off the Xpath | 23:25:56 |
 TheFrenchGhosty | it worked "ok" before the innertube | 23:27:42 |
| Midou | but this time youtube is actively fighting for ad revenue | 23:29:35 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | ... and they're loosing | 23:30:03 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | they simply can't win without forcing DRM | 23:30:23 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | and forcing DRM will hurt the bottom line a lot (and the DRM will be cracked really quickly anyway) | 23:31:01 |
| Midou | how about captchas ? actually do they even enforce it on youtube? 🤔 | 23:31:10 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | In reply to @midou:envs.net
how about captchas ? actually do they even enforce it on youtube? 🤔 anticaptcha | 23:31:39 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 23:31:41 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | 0.02 € / captcha | 23:32:06 |
| Midou | poor indians doing the job again... | 23:32:09 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | * 0.002 € / captcha | 23:32:10 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | better than working in a field/factory | 23:32:34 |
| Midou | In reply to @thefrenchghosty:pussthecat.org
0.002 € / captcha plus that could easily ruin a popular instance actually | 23:32:37 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | In reply to @midou:envs.net
plus that could easily ruin a popular instance actually Invidious uses to do it | 23:32:50 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | big instance paid less than 5€/month for it | 23:33:06 |
| Midou | huh | 23:33:12 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | Point is: they can't do it without hurting their users | 23:34:21 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | and they can't afford to hurt their users, because it would hurt their bottom line | 23:34:44 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | * Point is: they can't do anything that actually "work" without hurting their users | 23:35:01 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | Because the solution would be easy: just Widevine everything | 23:35:22 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | but as I said before:
"they simply can't win without forcing DRM
and forcing DRM will hurt the bottom line a lot (and the DRM will be cracked really quickly anyway)" | 23:35:36 |
| Midou | fair enough | 23:35:50 |
| Midou | I wish i could help the project just to spite on youtube tbh | 23:36:14 |
 absidue | In reply to @thefrenchghosty:pussthecat.org
time to go back to scraping the web ! you'll need a js engine in Invidious so that you can decipher the URLs for that | 23:36:56 |
| absidue | In reply to @thefrenchghosty:pussthecat.org
time to go back to scraping the web ! * you'll need a js engine in Invidious so that you can decipher the streaming URLs for that | 23:37:06 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | In reply to @thefrenchghosty:pussthecat.org
but as I said before:
"they simply can't win without forcing DRM
and forcing DRM will hurt the bottom line a lot (and the DRM will be cracked really quickly anyway)" Widevine is cracked, but the cracks aren't public because there's no "point" in having it public (since all the content can easily get published)
If youtube uses Widevine, the content couldn't easily get published since there's SO MUCH content... so the crack will end up being public
| 23:37:19 |
| absidue | Just to be clear YouTube already uses widewine, but only for movies (both for the pay to view and free with ada ones), which makes sense as they have to stick to whatever licensing contracts they have with the studios, which probably require DRM. | 23:39:28 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | And as I said in the podcast episode I did, basically youtube frontends/alternative clients wouldn't exist if paying for premium removed the crap: no spyware, no sponsors | 23:40:13 |
| TheFrenchGhosty | The fact that paying doesn't change the fact that google tracks you + that sponsors are in all moderately popular videos... means that it pointless to pay | 23:40:56 |
