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15 Feb 2025
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.I don't need to include Hannibal directive actions because there are decades of terrorism and military action to cite without these possibilities.02:01:37
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.For instance, I don't think anyone denies the intifadas.02:02:11
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.TL:DR Palestine chose violence, FAFO.02:02:57
@0rz:matrix.org(_ _ ||)Can't be bothered to debate much, but isn't this only a specific subset of Palestineans? This sounds pretty rough for all the bystanders, does it not?02:05:05
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.Does that not also apply to all the civilians that suffer rocket attack in Israel?02:09:13
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.And as I recall, Hamas enjoyed some stupid high approval rate in Gaza. When 90% of the population I'd radicalized and complicit in hiding terrorists then where are.the innocents?02:10:46
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.* And as I recall, Hamas enjoyed some stupid high approval rate in Gaza. When 90% of the population is radicalized and complicit in hiding terrorists then where are.the innocents?02:11:12
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.I'll add, I've been to the west bank and had no trouble. But I've had rockets fired over my head in Ashkelon. While there, a Kassam got through Iron Dome and blew up an intersection I walked through that day. As a foreign civilian and not even a Jew, did I deserve to be put in that situation and possibly die?02:14:35
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.I'm not a particulaar fan of Israel, but Hamas is so much worse. If these people cannot find peace with each other then one will have to go. And the power is with Israel now. So choose peace or die Palestine.02:16:52
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.That isn't a moral observation, is is a reality observation.02:17:33
@0rz:matrix.org(_ _ ||)
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Does that not also apply to all the civilians that suffer rocket attack in Israel?
You're right, there are Israeli bystanders as well. It just sits a bit wrong with me since the Israelis have an effective government, whilst Palestine seems to be split into regions, not exactly representstive of the "state" for lack of better word.
02:19:18
@0rz:matrix.org(_ _ ||)Before or after the war?02:19:32
@0rz:matrix.org(_ _ ||)
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I'll add, I've been to the west bank and had no trouble. But I've had rockets fired over my head in Ashkelon. While there, a Kassam got through Iron Dome and blew up an intersection I walked through that day. As a foreign civilian and not even a Jew, did I deserve to be put in that situation and possibly die?

I will clarify, I'm not on either side here. I find both sides to be deeply flawed. I'm just trying to understand your guys' takes, and have a conversation about this.

You did not deserve to die, I'm sorry you had to go through that.

02:21:02
@0rz:matrix.org(_ _ ||)I kinda made it sound like you died, but you know what I mean02:22:14
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr. I was there before this current war. I've actually been there a number of times, and saw rockets about half the time I visited. Thanks, but I'm not trying to imply I went through some terrible event and have PTSD or anything. 02:24:59
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.You accept it after a while the same way you accept tornadoes or hurricanes in other parts of the world.02:25:44
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.Which is fucked up, but this is human nature.02:26:08
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.I agree that both sides are flawed. The Israeli settler movement in the West Bank is decidedly not cool.02:27:44
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.But it speak to the animosity present on both sides due to the history of the last 70 years.02:28:16
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.* But it speaks to the animosity present on both sides due to the history of the last 70 years.02:28:47
@crysys:matrix.orgcrysys brought to you by Carl's Jr.They don't want the Palestinians there anymore, because they are always trying to kill Israelis. So why won't other Muslim nations help Palestenians resettle? Because they also have deep seated religious hangups about ever ceeding Muslim lands. Well, you live by the sword, you die by the sword.02:31:09
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If someone takes painkillers or other headache pill every time they have a headache, would you call them a drug addict?
Yes
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16 Feb 2025
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