| 1 Aug 2021 |
 search_social | you're not stuck in 150 char twitter box | 06:09:13 |
 Trustworthy Netizen | I am gonna spin up my own | 06:10:12 |
| Trustworthy Netizen | Well, I already have actually but I'm gonna move it to a different url | 06:10:27 |
| Trustworthy Netizen | So I haven't used it yet | 06:10:34 |
 patched | In reply to @search_social:matrix.org
There is only one person that cares about my safety, and that is me. Isn't the issue then that the country is ruled by the oligarchs, and not the workers? The ones in power don't care about your safety | 10:52:03 |
| patched | Issue with having no laws is that you will just end up with a few giant monopolies who will just reinstate the state in their own interest, but undemocratically. I'd rather have a bourgeois democracy than a bourgeois dictatorship. If they didn't do so, the workers would likely just expropriate all the businesses from the owners. The owners need the state to protect themselves against this, which is why it would just grow back. In the end, the state is a tool for repression, and capital owners need to repress the workers to stay in power. | 10:57:51 |
| patched | * Issue with having no laws is that you will just end up with a few giant monopolies who will just reinstate the state in their own interest, but undemocratically. I'd rather have a bourgeois democracy than a bourgeois dictatorship. If they didn't do so, the workers would likely just expropriate all the businesses from the owners. The owners need the state to protect themselves against this, which is why it would just grow back. In the end, the state is a tool for repression, and capital owners need to repress the workers to stay in power. | 10:58:21 |
| search_social | In reply to @erkp:matrix.org
Isn't the issue then that the country is ruled by the oligarchs, and not the workers? The ones in power don't care about your safety I, personally, care more about my safety than another worker 1,000 miles away. I'm not saying the other worker would actively sabotage my safety, but they wouldn't go the extra mile for me either. | 11:17:12 |
| patched | You two have a common interest in better working conditions. If you two were to choose the laws, you would both pick the ones leading to better working conditions. The point is that your employer would not do that, as it is not in his interest. | 11:19:23 |
| search_social | In reply to @erkp:matrix.org
You two have a common interest in better working conditions. If you two were to choose the laws, you would both pick the ones leading to better working conditions. The point is that your employer would not do that, as it is not in his interest. I think the issue here is confusing the law with lawyers. The law is only what a lawyer says it is, and it is not in a lawyer's interest to protect workers either | 12:02:29 |
| patched | If the enforcement of workers laws aren't upheld, that is a separate issue that would have to be tackled. But yes, the current state works in the favor of the ruling class, and so they will fight the workers at every turn. That is why the workers need to also build their own separate administration, and not rely on the current one. | 12:10:51 |
| patched | * If the enforcement of workers laws aren't upheld, that is a separate issue that would have to be tackled. But yes, the current state works in the favor of the ruling class, and so they will fight the workers at every turn. That is why the workers need to also build their own separate administration, and not rely on the current one. | 12:11:07 |
| search_social | I'm all for parallel institutions | 12:56:16 |
| Trustworthy Netizen | I think we just need to reform from within | 15:50:01 |
| patched | Or both :^) | 15:55:06 |
| patched | dual power | 15:55:32 |
| Trustworthy Netizen | I don't get it | 16:05:50 |
| Trustworthy Netizen | Are you saying there should be labor unions or two governments | 16:06:02 |
| patched | That we need to work to gain power both from inside and outside the system | 16:14:23 |
| patched | The goal would be to replace the current state, but to do that we need experience in administering ourselves, which we e.g. can gain through labor unions. To be able to replace the current state we also need some semblance of control over the old state apparatus too. | 16:16:47 |
| Trustworthy Netizen | I don't know how to get there. I hate the Central Bank. | 16:22:35 |
| Trustworthy Netizen | And all the international financial bodies, really | 16:22:46 |
| Trustworthy Netizen | And the stock market | 16:22:51 |
| Trustworthy Netizen | ... and pretty much everything I don't understand | 16:23:02 |
| Trustworthy Netizen | Lol | 16:23:04 |
| patched | One simple way is to support any movement or organization that is run by people who share your interest. E.g., the People's Party, or things like the recent M4M4A marches. If you face eviction, maybe join a tenants' union. | 17:34:14 |
| patched | But there's no straightforward path | 17:34:36 |
| patched | Reading theory may help too in gaining better understanding. I prefer doing it in reading circles to force myself to actually read. | 17:36:04 |
| patched | Shilling Free Software everywhere is also important ;^) | 17:37:42 |
| patched | * Reading theory may help too in gaining better understanding. I prefer doing it in reading circles to force myself to actually read. | 17:38:42 |
