| 14 Apr 2021 |
 dokidoe | Eh. Maybe, I am glad fsf didn't completely fold even if they made concessionary statements | 05:48:21 |
| dokidoe | Anonymously complaining doesn't do much, limited amount of value I give at the end of the day | 05:49:47 |
 zeroability | In reply to @dokidoe:matrix.kiwifarms.net
It's a rhythm. I loved Linus, RMS, and Linux people so seeing it hit here hurts a lot I know the feeling. There are so many projects I was going to use or possibly contribute to. They are far too toxic now for that to be a possibility. | 05:53:09 |
| zeroability | I couldn't even get more involved with the LUG in my area because the same types of people make up the entirety of it. | 05:54:13 |
| dokidoe | I think this goes back to iodine point, that these things are popular | 05:55:38 |
| dokidoe | It's not just x, it's a lot of xs | 05:55:59 |
| zeroability | Well, we have proven on this issue there are more of us. | 05:57:25 |
 rany | In reply to @jackredstonia:halogen.city
btw who are you chatting to on which platform chatting on private chats, they're not on any group chats | 06:01:38 |
| rany | also on matrix | 06:01:42 |
| dokidoe | In reply to @zeroability:matrix.org
Well, we have proven on this issue there are more of us. I hope. But we have seen core people of the open source community(not just corporate powers) use their powers to push this and virtue signal. | 06:02:23 |
| zeroability | There were some that also wanted to back out but the maintainer locked the repo. | 06:04:30 |
| zeroability | Unfortunately, some of these long standing projects will fail. New projects will take their place. | 06:06:39 |
| dokidoe | The end result of this is usually a fractured base | 06:08:10 |
| dokidoe | More often I see the woke people keep control of the institutions, and people try to form something. But fail and fight, the fundamental idea that brought people together weakens. | 06:11:28 |
| dokidoe | So it's nice that fsf didn't let that happen, I have more hope for them | 06:12:01 |
| zeroability | I don't think the apology was needed. It may have been performative, but any money they were getting from the people or orgs they apologized to is already gone. | 06:12:49 |
| zeroability | The larger entities that threw RMS under the bus and made a business around GNU and Linux will probably go under. Debian and GNOME will as soon as they start losing people that have obviously been propping up the projects. | 06:14:23 |
| dokidoe | It was a failed opportunity to state the core values of the foundation and that it doesn't bend the knee to mob rule | 06:14:26 |
| zeroability | * The larger entities that threw RMs under the bus and made a business around GNU and Linux will probably go under. Debian and GNOME will as soon as they start losing people that have obviously been propping up the projects. | 06:14:34 |
| zeroability | * The larger entities that threw RMS under the bus and made a business around GNU and Linux will probably go under. Debian and GNOME will as soon as they start losing people that have obviously been propping up the projects. | 06:14:48 |
| dokidoe | Instead they didn't want to be viewed as unclean | 06:14:55 |
| dokidoe | If those institution fail, I fear who takes over their dead husk. Corporation are eyeing the open source community more than ever | 06:17:00 |
| zeroability | Maybe there will be better options. If this keeps up security updates will be few and far between, overall quality will suffer, and there may be situations where these corps try making distros do things that Windows is doing. I wouldn't put it past any of them. | 06:20:55 |
| dokidoe | Linux+ soon:tm: | 06:25:31 |
 samhsmith | In reply to @iodine:halogen.city
I honestly think that reduction of concepts and ideas, and the expectation that the complexities of the systems and situations that exist in the world be boiled down to some core for easy consumption, do some of the worst harm to social, political, and scientific dialogue. Yes and no. We do need to move to a future where all individuals in society are able to do acurate sensmaking. That means that information and debate must be common place. However you are correct that sound bites and oversimplifications are damaging since they give the illusion of good sensemaking. | 07:10:24 |
| samhsmith | In reply to @zeroability:matrix.org
I would like to see cryptcurrency really take off. Invest in monero | 07:17:22 |
| dokidoe | I would like the idea of a uncensorable crypto image board take off. Soon:tm: | 07:21:45 |
 Erik Präntare | Heard of bitchan? https://lainchan.org/%CE%BB/res/22203.html
Idk the details of it but it builds upon bitmessage | 07:33:00 |
| dokidoe | https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.en.html | 07:36:52 |
| dokidoe | I forget what crunk was using, but yah. The tech exists, it's more about adoption. | 07:38:37 |
