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11 Dec 2018
16:28:20@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> [ ](https://aragon.chat/channel/governance?msg=8JfBNCxr3WG7ED9o6) @lkngtn I perceive DAO's as already beyond platform cooperativism tbh but certainly could integrate.
16:28:31@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <lkngtn> Especially because I think one of the most important principles is global accessibility, and if you are relying on a traditional jurisdicition it is not equally accessible to people globally--and the people who are already disadvantaged by the current system are not made any less so in those cases.
16:29:07@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> [ ](https://aragon.chat/channel/governance?msg=AGiqQRtC8miPmWvAo) @lkngtn abso-bleedin-lutely
16:33:34@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> [ ](https://aragon.chat/channel/governance?msg=SbwviE8a256tNuJ75) @lkngtn Again, damn straight. Music distributive payment channels possibly useful again here as global territories can practically be broken down to 4 at most, makes it much easier to parse and enter into.
16:39:26@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> I mean, you know, it's not I'm saying anything hugely insightful here - this is exactly why there was so much movement and noise regarding on-chain music back in 2015-6. But I'd say just because you didn't overthrow the system doesn't mean you can't repurpose the space's flows. Apologies, gotta dash
12 Dec 2018
10:34:57@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> [ ](https://aragon.chat/channel/governance?msg=ArjpP36BfwMLoXv7M) @lkngtn "you might find @osarrouy proposal for a DAO linked to a piece of IP/license https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tYNMLkKpeSbPuPhusqw6LyUCIy08KeZFmv2KrylOPS4/edit"
10:38:30@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> [ ](https://aragon.chat/channel/governance?msg=nt3e2HbpMAvDzZRs4) Yes, this is really good. Props @osarrouy , a large step in the right direction.
10:49:25@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> [ ](https://aragon.chat/channel/governance?msg=K2NGXtLgEfeEBfP28) @lkngtn Outwardly - As a method for independent content providers/practitioners to collectively engage with commercial industry. Inwardly - As a transparent provider of information and shared member access to useful services.
14:23:46@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <osarrouy> Hey @julian. Hey @lkngtn. Thanks for pointing out to our proposal :)
14:25:23@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <osarrouy> The idea with this content DAO thing is to circumvent corporate laws which are often super tricky and jurisdiction dépendant through IP laws which are often most globally enforceable and waaaay lighter to handle.
14:28:25@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <osarrouy> I think one - amongst many - advantages of DAOs is to lower the cost of spawning an organization. So if you need, to mirror your DAO in the legal realm, to incorporate somewhere - with all the financial and cognitive costs it implies - you kinda loose the advantages of DAO. This could work for huge project but for light DAO it’s a real problem.
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14:40:51@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> [ ](https://aragon.chat/channel/governance?msg=pXyw9k1WPBYtR6DhjB) Hey @osarrouy , that was an enjoyable read, really interesting project. I had on of those 💡 moments re yr approach to making use of I.P. to circumvent corporate structure - neat touch. I started from extending I.P., so content was always just a part of it but can really see how that so simplifies the DAO process. Could I ask if you any further thoughts re 'forks' , and how the original authors could automate that as a process, and perhaps if there's a place for something along the lines of Harbenger Taxation (staking, derivatives, etc.)?
14:42:02@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> Hey @osarrouy , that was an enjoyable read, really interesting project. I had one of those 💡 moments re yr approach to making use of I.P. to circumvent corporate structure - neat touch. I started from extending I.P., so content was always just a part of it but can really see how that so simplifies the DAO process. Could I ask if you any further thoughts re 'forks' , and how the original authors could automate that as a process, and perhaps if there's a place for something along the lines of Harbenger Taxation (staking, derivatives, etc.)?
14:44:04@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> Hey @osarrouy , that was an enjoyable read, really interesting project. I had one of those 💡 moments re yr approach to making use of I.P. to circumvent corporate structure - neat touch. I started from extending I.P., so content was always just a part of it but can really see how that so simplifies the DAO process. Could I ask if you any further thoughts re 'forks' , and how the original authors could automate that as a process, and perhaps if there's a place for something tokenised along the lines of Harbenger Taxation (staking, derivatives, etc.)?
15:36:48@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <lkngtn> If anyone in here is interested in Quadratic Voting, I just posted a quick write-up on the forum about how it could be implement Aragon Organizations: https://forum.aragon.org/t/exploring-what-quadratic-voting-could-look-like-for-aragon-organizations/338
13 Dec 2018
02:52:49@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <christopher.dixon> d@osarrouy can i have a link to the project @lkngtn mentioned. i am working on a blockchain based patent system which is governed by a Decentralized Autonomous Corporation(a DAO like structure) which is capable of patenting ideas, including content. perhaps there is room for some type of collaboration.
02:53:12@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <christopher.dixon> @osarrouy can i have a link to the project @lkngtn mentioned. i am working on a blockchain based patent system which is governed by a Decentralized Autonomous Corporation(a DAO like structure) which is capable of patenting ideas, including content. perhaps there is room for some type of collaboration.
03:00:45@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <light> @christopher.dixon https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tYNMLkKpeSbPuPhusqw6LyUCIy08KeZFmv2KrylOPS4/edit ?
03:05:40@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <christopher.dixon> awesome, @light thank you! past convos wernt loading for me
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21:52:27@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> [ ](https://aragon.chat/channel/governance?msg=pXyw9k1WPBYtR6DhjB) @osarrouy Meant to add... I was also delighted to see you include code as 'media' within the 'content-dao'. I've had several discussions with people who are both agog at open sourcing media ('but but but') -- and are equally unhappy with commercialising open source projects (goes against...'). It's an interesting conundrum as for me they're all just stuff, you know, made of the same thing; data. Privileging one form over another is unhelpful.
21:52:58@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> [ ](https://aragon.chat/channel/governance?msg=pXyw9k1WPBYtR6DhjB) @osarrouy Meant to add... I was also delighted to see you include code as 'media' within the 'content-dao'. I've had several discussions with people who are both agog at open sourcing media ('but but but') -- and are equally unhappy with commercialising open source projects ('it goes against...'). It's an interesting conundrum as for me they're all just stuff, you know, made of the same thing; data. Privileging one form over another is unhelpful.
21:58:20@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> [ ](https://aragon.chat/channel/governance?msg=XgWt6MSajYniHDntx) (re separating forms of media [above] ) I also think it also feeds into the 'genius myth', which I thought we'd punctured terminally but appears to be reviving (which suits a 'them & us' mentality, peddled relentlessly by the 'spectacle'. There was some discussion of wanting to smash the state, and I do think if we can get beyond copyright, that is significant change. Break the System!
21:58:35@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> [ ](https://aragon.chat/channel/governance?msg=XgWt6MSajYniHDntx) (re separating forms of media [above] ) I also think it feeds into the 'genius myth', which I thought we'd punctured terminally but appears to be reviving (which suits a 'them & us' mentality, peddled relentlessly by the 'spectacle'. There was some discussion of wanting to smash the state, and I do think if we can get beyond copyright, that is significant change. Break the System!
21:59:50@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> [ ](https://aragon.chat/channel/governance?msg=XgWt6MSajYniHDntx) (re separating forms of media [above] ) I also think it feeds into the 'genius myth', which I thought we'd punctured terminally but appears to be reviving (which suits a 'them & us' mentality, peddled relentlessly by, can we still call it, the 'spectacle'. There was some discussion of wanting to smash the state, and I do think if we can get beyond copyright, that is significant change. Break the System! (as precursor).
22:07:09@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> "Break the System" - there's an interesting discussion to be had here with regards DAOs engaging with 'really existing law'. If we assign our work a digital license, and can maintain & enforce that license digitally, plus have the license airtight enough that we'd welcome a legal challenge, we can then work with existing legislation for our own nefarious interests.
22:19:32@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> This is such a featureful space. @osarrouy, may I ask where your proposal is up to? This is an area I'm certainly keen to work within, if there are any opportunities, or further discussion to be had with the wider Aragon community, please let me know...
22:19:54@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot[rocketchat] <julian> This is such a featureful space. @osarrouy, may I ask where your proposal is up to? This is an area I'm certainly keen to work within. If there are any opportunities, or further discussion to be had with the wider Aragon community, please let me know...

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