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12 Feb 2019
08:38:14@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <shinsyotta>

Hey @jjperezaguinaga. Here to discuss using non-minime ERC20 tokens for voting on Aragon. https://github.com/PeterMPhillips/aragon-token-locker

08:38:55@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <shinsyotta>

Hey @jjperezaguinaga. Here to discuss using non-minime ERC20 tokens for voting on Aragon. What are you attempting to do, how far have you gotten, and how can I help? https://github.com/PeterMPhillips/aragon-token-locker

08:39:16@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <shinsyotta>

Hey @jjperezaguinaga . Here to discuss using non-minime ERC20 tokens for voting on Aragon. What are you attempting to do, how far have you gotten, and how can I help? https://github.com/PeterMPhillips/aragon-token-locker

09:40:04@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <shinsyotta>

From my side, it seems like this can be as simple as a contract which contains MiniMe tokens and sells them 1:1 in exchange for non-MiniMe tokens, but does not allow refunds until after the vote is complete, but I’d like to get your take.

15:09:26@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <jjperezaguinaga>

Mr. @pmp is the mastermind behind the current state of the project. Here’s our current situation: we have circa 180M ERC-20 tokens in circulating supply, and want to provide each owner a voting token (currently MiniMe ones within a DAO). We are looking into using our existing ERC-20 tokens to “multiply” the strength of the token. So far that project is an effort to showcase how that process works.

15:10:35@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <jjperezaguinaga>

We have had many discussions on whether we should “exchange” the tokens with MiniMe ones. Some of the issues are around gas costs (e.g. having to call our token contract to check balance), and what would be the best UX for users in order to get into the Aragon platform to contribute to the DAO

15:13:41@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <jjperezaguinaga>

We are having the conversation in our transparency portal, you can check it out in the comments - https://hq.mybit.io/project/10222511/todoset/1482308146/todolist/1483099472

15:15:15@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <shinsyotta>

@jjperezaguinaga Thanks! I think until non-MiniMe tokens are usable, we just have to face the fact that UI will be a bit (a lot) broken if we use Aragon for the DAO.
I think I’m going to take a look at the WETH contract with a view to creating a MiniMe wrapper of tokens, similar to how WETH wraps ETH.

15:19:40@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <jjperezaguinaga>

cool, that would be a nice idea. We aren’t sure on what’s the best process yet, but we are figuring it out along the lines. I’m sure we are not the only company facing this, @jorge @light is there any guide/book/tutorial on the best way to migrate an existing ERC-20 Token-based community to an Aragon DAO w/voting, finance, etc?

15:22:14@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <shinsyotta>

@jjperezaguinaga From our side, there can be no full migration since we have the token listed on exchanges, etc. Will let you know if I find anything useful with the WETH wrapper approach.

15:24:18@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <jjperezaguinaga>

@shinsyotta same here. This is our project - https://mybit.io. We launched in 2017, shipped the app, and now want to give to the community the capability to take decisions on the company.

15:26:57@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <jjperezaguinaga>

As you mention, exchanges bring a bit of issues, but we would like to have a way to give active community members the option to have a say. We are betting on Aragon and DAOs for the next step, but the migration process isn’t as easy as we would like. How can we give all our token holders access to our DAO? How can we mint the new minime tokens based on the community involvement? How do we ensure participation? I mean, these are similar issues Aragon and other DAOs are facing at the moment, we are just trying it out, I think that’s the whole idea :D

15:29:06@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <shinsyotta>

We’re in the same boat! Okay, I’ll keep you posted. @jjperezaguinaga

17:30:59@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <light>

wrapping the token seems the best approach until the v2 voting infrastructure is deployed

17:31:43@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <light>


21:30:54@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <pmp>

@shinsyotta Hey @shinsyotta that app doesn’t do a 1:1 exchange of erc20 to minime. We wanted a more democratic approach (instead of letting whales’ voices dominate) so we built the app to lock a preset amount of ERC20s. The number of minime tokens a user receives depends on how long they lock for. The lock amount, staking times, and voting tokens received are passed during the initialization of the app. But it wouldn’t take much work to edit the app to do 1:1 conversion and the contract would be quite a bit simpler. I’d be happy to assist you with building an app as its something I’ve been meaning to do anyway. I might be slow to respond on aragon.chat but my keybase is https://keybase.io/pmphillips

13 Feb 2019
22:37:41@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <francesco.renzi>

hello guys!

22:38:50@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <francesco.renzi>

I was looking for a specific talk in the Aracon stream for the first day. Unfortunately it seems the first few talks in the morning were not included in the YouTube livestream, that started with Jorge’s keynote.

22:39:48@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <francesco.renzi>

Any chance those talks were published somewhere else? I am particularly interested in seeing one about the court system as I missed part of it

14 Feb 2019
03:04:05@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <light>

@francesco.renzi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eng6MmlFdFI&list=PLdbM67oXoBoaAhNLWHj_lJNkoXH_Jqkk2&index=9&t=0s

18:55:11@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <lkngtn>


18:55:59@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <lkngtn>

Highly recommended, podcast with phil daian and ali from a16z talking about dark-daos / vote buying issues

15 Feb 2019
23:48:57@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <julian>

Interesting article, tldr: (clue in title) https://medium.com/@memetic007/making-liquid-democracy-work-pay-the-delegates-bd813a9cb60a

17 Feb 2019
04:40:55@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <shinsyotta>

Hey @pmp. I just saw your reply. Sorry about that.
I appreciate the offer. Wonderful! @pmp

07:23:14@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <pmp>

@shinsyotta Here’s the app: https://github.com/PeterMPhillips/aragon-token-wrapper. You can check out an example at https://rinkeby.aragon.org/#/0xaaE4E6a63271996CE804DFEb233Db4212B1B4D48/. If you want to test it, send me an address and I can send you some of the ERC-20 used in the example app.

18 Feb 2019
16:21:00@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <shinsyotta>

Thanks @pmp. You know, I’ve been considering your original approach, and I think I like it. Staking tokens to get voting rights is a great idea. @pmp

21 Feb 2019
14:24:23@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <julian>

Couple more interesting papers via John Flood from UCL’s Blockchain Research Centre. Have to say there’s so much legal interest currently (recent Walch papers et al), it’s really blowing up, I see this as a good thing (even if disagreeing with some of their routes of enquiry [did someone say fiduciary]): https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3315855 | https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3228950

15:38:51@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <lkngtn>


15:41:08@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <lkngtn>

@julian those papers look interesting! I think automation is likely to have a huge impact on lawyers (also doctors) in the relatively near future and that will have a pretty significant impact on how we view human labor and expertise.

16:42:12@bridge-bot:matrix.orgbridge-bot <julian>

@lkngtn Cheers, yours too - nice read 😃 the ‘implied’ open source dev production model is coming in for some serious attack/stress-testing (ymmv) in crypto atm - can only be a good thing imo. I think we need to make some peace (& understanding) with the whole automation/ml/ai shebang (& quick:). I wonder if it often comes down to each of our own visions of the future - I’m a glass half full kinda guy, bring it on!

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