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End-to-end crypto in Matrix

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Discussion around implementing and using encryption in Matrix via Olm/Megolm | Spec work and reference impl work in #e2e-dev:matrix.org108 Servers

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31 Mar 2020
18:37:45@hpd:hpdeifel.dehpdthanks for the pointers, upthumbed!
18:41:45@hpd:hpdeifel.dehpdI seem to recall that there was some script somewhere to extract one room from a file with exported keys. But that's also quite hacky and crude of course
18:42:14@hpd:hpdeifel.dehpd * I seem to recall that there was some script somewhere to extract one room from a file with exported keys. But that's also quite hacky and crude of course
1 Apr 2020
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2 Apr 2020
20:46:45@jsparber:gnome.orgJulian Sparber What's actually encrypted via the m.room.encrypted event? I saw that riot doesn't encrypt some events e.g. typing.
20:47:50@jsparber:gnome.orgJulian Sparberare only room events encrypted? https://matrix.org/docs/spec/client_server/r0.6.0#room-events
20:50:09@jsparber:gnome.orgJulian Sparber checking the traffic of riot also m.room.name isn't encrypted ether
20:50:54@jsparber:gnome.orgJulian Sparber so is it just m.room.message?
20:54:54@hubert:uhoreg.cauhoreg State events (such as room name, avatar, topic, membership), ephemeral events (e.g. typing, read receipts) are not encrypted. Reactions are not encrypted yet. Messages, files, etc. are encrypted.
20:56:18@hubert:uhoreg.cauhoreg Some state events (e.g. room name) might be encrypted in the future. Some state events (e.g. membership, power levels) will never be encrypted because the server needs to be able to read them in order to enforce permissions.
20:56:17@jsparber:gnome.orgJulian Sparber
In reply to @hubert:uhoreg.ca
State events (such as room name, avatar, topic, membership), ephemeral events (e.g. typing, read receipts) are not encrypted. Reactions are not encrypted yet. Messages, files, etc. are encrypted.
what other then Messages and files are encrypted?
20:57:45@jsparber:gnome.orgJulian Sparbersure i didn't try to say that they should be encrypted, i was just wondering since the guide https://matrix.org/docs/guides/end-to-end-encryption-implementation-guide isn't really clear on what is encrypted
20:57:48@hubert:uhoreg.cauhoreg Mainly things that fall under m.room.message.
20:57:52@jsparber:gnome.orgJulian Sparber * sure i didn't try to say that they should be encrypted, i was just wondering since the guide https://matrix.org/docs/guides/end-to-end-encryption-implementation-guide isn't really clear on what is encrypted
20:58:16@jsparber:gnome.orgJulian Sparbermakes sense
20:58:53@jsparber:gnome.orgJulian Sparberat least for me it wasn't super clear
20:58:58@jsparber:gnome.orgJulian Sparber * at least for me it wasn't super clear
20:59:08@hubert:uhoreg.cauhoregI think reactions are the only things that aren't state events and not ephemeral events that aren't encrypted.
20:59:18@hubert:uhoreg.cauhoreg(yet)
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3 Apr 2020
14:10:58@hpd:hpdeifel.dehpdHm, with stuff like https://github.com/vector-im/riotX-android/pull/1198 and the push to turn on e2e by default for DMs: I'd love to have that, but seeing new people evaluating matrix as a selfhosted team-chat solution: E2E is - with it's current usability - quickly regarded as a major hassle that should only be used when absolutely necessary. At least this doesn't affect the perception of other features. But s much as cross-signing is going to improve things, a naggy password prompt after account creation for people who don't intend to use encryption, would probably result in an immediate negative impression
14:12:43@hpd:hpdeifel.dehpd⬅︎ no UX professional; ⬆︎ just my impression; ➡︎ grains of salt apply
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4 Apr 2020
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