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End-to-end crypto in Matrix

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Discussion around implementing and using encryption in Matrix via Olm/Megolm | Spec work and reference impl work in #e2e-dev:matrix.org140 Servers

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29 Sep 2020
@dylanger:matrix.orgDylangerWell, the Security requirement would be you don't want any E2EE Session keys on a server09:28:41
@dylanger:matrix.orgDylangerBots usually run on servers?09:28:54
@shiny:shine.horseShineMy bot is special. I like it.09:29:07
@sorunome:sorunome.deSorunome
In reply to @dylanger:matrix.org
Bots usually run on servers?
servers are just someone elses computer
09:29:19
@sorunome:sorunome.deSorunome
In reply to @dylanger:matrix.org
Well, the Security requirement would be you don't want any E2EE Session keys on a server
nothing is stopping a person to using a server and remote in and use that as their client
09:29:37
@sorunome:sorunome.deSorunomeif you are not actively implementing e2ee code then you don't support e2ee. Goes for both bots and clients09:29:59
@dylanger:matrix.orgDylangerAre there any plans to make a 'local-bot' where bot logic is embedded into element-web?09:33:16
@shiny:shine.horseShineAnd what would be the use case for that?09:33:50
@dylanger:matrix.orgDylangerBot on an E2EE room, don't want keys for the room sitting on a server09:34:20
@shiny:shine.horseShineYou can run that bot on your desktop09:34:50
@sorunome:sorunome.deSorunomebot logic is the same as client logic09:34:56
@sorunome:sorunome.deSorunomeand yes, you can run a bot on your local computer09:35:21
@shiny:shine.horseShine or on raspberry pi in your home 09:35:21
@sorunome:sorunome.deSorunomeor some other server09:35:59
@sorunome:sorunome.deSorunomebasically anywhere09:36:05
@dylanger:matrix.orgDylangerAre there any plans to make client-bots a one-click sort of deal?09:37:03
@dylanger:matrix.orgDylangerIntegration? 09:37:11
@dylanger:matrix.orgDylangerVia Integration Manager09:37:17
@sorunome:sorunome.deSorunomea bot is just a normal client...09:38:08
@sorunome:sorunome.deSorunome if you want element-web features, #element-web:matrix.org is the right place to ask 09:38:27
@dylanger:matrix.orgDylangerCheers09:40:02
@trilobite17:matrix.orgtrilobite17
In reply to @hubert:uhoreg.ca
I believe libolm has some support for handling out-of-order messages, but it's limited due to the fact that it has limited memory.
umm, how do you limit memory to a library?
11:09:07
@dave:matrix.orgDavein this case by building it to webassembly11:10:16
@sorunome:sorunome.deSorunomelibolm does not llocate any memory, you always have to give it buffers yourself11:10:35
@trilobite17:matrix.orgtrilobite17good idea :)11:11:16
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