| 6 Mar 2020 |
 midov | In reply to @vurpo:hacklab.fi
Maybe, but nobody wants to install and run a separate program and configure their client just for e2ee to work i do | 10:18:41 |
 vurpo | That would be a good way to ensure nobody ever uses e2e | 10:18:59 |
| midov | it really works much better than with riot for example | 10:19:04 |
| midov | In reply to @vurpo:hacklab.fi
That would be a good way to ensure nobody ever uses e2e those people will stick to graphical bloated electron based abominations anyway | 10:19:51 |
 Sorunome | In reply to @midov:midov.pl
Sorunome: pantalaimon works great for e2e with gomuks with headless pan there is no way to get panctl to work, and that kinda sucks | 10:21:03 |
| midov | In reply to @sorunome:sorunome.de
with headless pan there is no way to get panctl to work, and that kinda sucks yeah thats the only issue i have with it too | 10:21:30 |
| vurpo | Anyway, the Unix philosophy has been broken ever since the data going between programs became anything other than just unstructured text, or started being interactive in any way | 10:25:03 |
| vurpo | That's the point when that philosophy went down the drain | 10:25:15 |
| midov | i dont really care about the whole philosophy, but it still does make sense to me to have specialised programs for each task and have them work together | 10:28:16 |
 GitHub | [tulir/gomuks] tulir opened
issue
#114: Make unsent messages stick to bottom
Currently they stay in the position where they were sent, which isn't very accurate in terms of message order
enhancement | 10:46:00 |
| vurpo | In reply to@midov:midov.pl
i dont really care about the whole philosophy, but it still does make sense to me to have specialised programs for each task and have them work together That would still be the case even if they're shipped together as a whole | 10:57:14 |
| vurpo | They wouldn't merge into one big software project anyway | 10:57:42 |
| midov | well as long as you can easily replace it with some other e2e project that comes out after pantalaimon and does it even better, i guess it would be fine | 11:00:31 |
| GitHub | [tulir/gomuks] donpdonp opened
issue
#115: Connectivity status and reconnect
feature request:
Add a connectivity indicator, preferably as an option in a configurable status bar string, that shows either last ping or pingtime to the homeserver. Also be more aware of disconnects (putting the laptop to sleep in my case) and reconnects (join a wifi network) to more aggressively refresh with the server.
gomuks is fantastic! i found it only last week and its my primary matrix client now.
| 16:10:23 |
 donpdonp | wow thats the whole ticket. o^O | 16:11:01 |
 E-werd | I think it's concise enough | 17:37:32 |
| E-werd | Riot doesn't even have that. well, sort of, if you lose connectivity long enough you'll see a warning | 17:38:06 |
| donpdonp | i find riot-web to be quite good at reconnecting. i think it gets some help from the browser | 17:43:28 |
| donpdonp | is there special meaning to < > | 17:49:53 |
| donpdonp | gomuks will either not print the content in the middle, or give an error if the line leads with lessthan, or various other confusing results | 17:50:17 |
| donpdonp | not sure if its a matrix thing in general or gomuks | 17:50:29 |
 tulir | hmm probably because it allows html input | 17:50:49 |
| tulir | that should probably be an option | 17:50:54 |
| donpdonp | ohhh rly. PRE TAG HERE | 17:51:11 |
| donpdonp | well i'll be darned. | 17:51:18 |
| vurpo | In reply to@donp:donp.org
i find riot-web to be quite good at reconnecting. i think it gets some help from the browser Pretty sure it's because Matrix clients don't have any persistent connections in the first place, so if the connection fails then the only thing you need to do to make it reconnect is continue operating like normal (maybe wait a little bit to avoid trying a thousand requests a second, but otherwise it's fine) | 18:39:50 |
| donpdonp | thats how gomuks works now, yeah. riot-web i am guessing gets a ping from firefox because firefox knows when wifi reconnects. gomuks could also be open to hints for example a dbus msg from NetworkManager that wifi is up/down | 18:40:53 |
| tulir | pretty sure riot web just detects when the requests fail | 18:47:11 |
 TravisR | Yea, riot-web is just dumb and waits for your /sync to timeout | 19:06:59 |
| 8 Mar 2020 |
|  wobbol joined the room. | 12:12:24 |
