| 25 Sep 2022 |
 Nate B (he/him) | In reply to @robotsdancing:matrix.org
Also I wonder how Iran would have turned out had the us and UK not orchestrated a coup in the 50s That goes for the entire middle east, really. Imagine if the west hadn't come in forcibly drawn imaginary lines on a map and went "all of you people who are culturally and ideologically VASTLY different are a country now. Get along and listen to this one guy that 70% of you hate." | 20:56:57 |
 robotsdancing (she/her) | Yeah like, the western interference of the middle east is easily to blame for most of the turmoil in the region, but if you ask some people in america I'm sure they'll just think that "them middle Easterners just ain't civilized" | 20:58:58 |
 inc1n3r470r | In reply to @thenewoil:matrix.org
That goes for the entire middle east, really. Imagine if the west hadn't come in forcibly drawn imaginary lines on a map and went "all of you people who are culturally and ideologically VASTLY different are a country now. Get along and listen to this one guy that 70% of you hate." i think the biggest thing was the CIA yeeting working govts. etc (for oil or against socialism) | 21:00:57 |
| robotsdancing (she/her) | But the socialists! They're EVIL | 21:01:36 |
| robotsdancing (she/her) | And the best way to prove that socialism won't work is by interfering to make sure it doesn't work | 21:01:57 |
| Nate B (he/him) | In reply to @robotsdancing:matrix.org
Yeah like, the western interference of the middle east is easily to blame for most of the turmoil in the region, but if you ask some people in america I'm sure they'll just think that "them middle Easterners just ain't civilized" Oh 100%. My own mom is a little lowkey-unconsciously racist (like she's one of those people who doesn't realize she's holding racist thoughts, I promise she's a good person and she's trying, but she's got some work, anyways) and during one of our convos she said that about Africa. "Why is Africa so fucked up?" "Mom, you know some of those countries only gained independence as late as the 60s-80s right? They're JUST NOW going through what we figured out 200 years ago. Cut them some slack." | 21:02:28 |
| robotsdancing (she/her) | Good grief | 21:08:21 |
| Nate B (he/him) | She means well. She's lived her entire adult life in lower-income areas so all she's ever seen are the people who've given up and abuse the system, and she's fallen into that "anecdotal fallacy" where if since that's what she sees the most, she assumes that must be the norm. I'm doing my best to get through to her. | 21:09:52 |
| Nate B (he/him) | * She means well. She's lived her entire adult life in lower-income areas so all she's ever seen are the people who've given up and abuse the system, and she's fallen into that "anecdotal fallacy" where since that's what she sees the most, she assumes that must be the norm. I'm doing my best to get through to her. | 21:10:05 |
| Nate B (he/him) | I'm sure she holds similar feelings about the Middle East and we just haven't had that talk yet. | 21:10:29 |
| robotsdancing (she/her) | Ah, yeah it is interesting to see how strongly people believe in anecdotes over data | 21:16:09 |
| robotsdancing (she/her) | Like how regardless of data people have hot medical takes based on anectdotes | 21:16:44 |
| Nate B (he/him) | My old boss had strong opinions on immigration because he grew up in El Paso and claimed that illegal immigrant crime was devastating the city. Although after George Floyd he did say that he had some conversations with his black friends that opened his eyes a little bit, so that was good | 21:17:50 |
| robotsdancing (she/her) | That's neat that something opened his eyes up | 21:18:14 |
| robotsdancing (she/her) | I really wish people with like, political views that are in direct contradiction to what data suggests would be able to realize that they are wrong and that they should follow the data. Like how people have some pretty intense hatred of trans people and them getting gender related medical care or people holding opinions that drug criminalization will reduce drug use, etc. | 21:20:27 |
| Nate B (he/him) | The problem I run into personally is that data is biased and it can be hard to track that bias down. For every study out there that says "X is bad," I can find one that says "X is good" and it can be extremely difficult sometimes to detect errors in the testing or to track down the conflicts of interest, like who paid for the study. And the popular consensus isn't always right, so you can't always just go "well everyone says X is bad and I keep seeing headlines about how X is bad." Yeah, but the same issues still apply. Are the "X is good" studies being suppressed cause it fits the narrative? It's very hard to find the truth some days. Just "following the data" isn't always enough, because I can make data say anything and it requires a great amount of skill to know if the data is being made to say something that doesn't add up. | 22:04:29 |
| robotsdancing (she/her) | That is true, but I think there are a lot of things people do especially policy wise and in their personal beliefs that are relatively bullshit in terms of evidence for it even accounting for biases. It is a concern though that there is a pretty significant amount of research biased in various ways as well as research that gets fucked with. | 22:12:38 |
 majestictwelve | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzUbK-1Pebo | 22:26:20 |
| inc1n3r470r | In reply to @thenewoil:matrix.org
The problem I run into personally is that data is biased and it can be hard to track that bias down. For every study out there that says "X is bad," I can find one that says "X is good" and it can be extremely difficult sometimes to detect errors in the testing or to track down the conflicts of interest, like who paid for the study. And the popular consensus isn't always right, so you can't always just go "well everyone says X is bad and I keep seeing headlines about how X is bad." Yeah, but the same issues still apply. Are the "X is good" studies being suppressed cause it fits the narrative? It's very hard to find the truth some days. Just "following the data" isn't always enough, because I can make data say anything and it requires a great amount of skill to know if the data is being made to say something that doesn't add up. that is what metastudies are about and for | 22:29:18 |
| inc1n3r470r | they compare studies against each other | 22:29:27 |
|  transquinnzel set a profile picture. | 23:02:44 |
| robotsdancing (she/her) | Omg some guy in online Mario Kart is using an antisemitic slur as his usernamd | 23:17:33 |
|  b5929 joined the room. | 23:26:40 |
 marcus687 | Welcome to the internet | 23:41:00 |
| marcus687 | People really shouldn't be surprised | 23:41:08 |
| majestictwelve | Yup. And I don't care one bit | 23:46:42 |
| majestictwelve | Someone called me a slur many times and I didn't care | 23:47:06 |
| 26 Sep 2022 |
 c0d3warrior | does anyone use mysudo and prefer it over other voip services? otherwise what do you like/prefer? | 01:03:48 |
| Nate B (he/him) | In reply to @c0d3warrior:matrix.org
does anyone use mysudo and prefer it over other voip services? otherwise what do you like/prefer? Me, but not on Calyx so take that with a grain of salt. | 02:09:01 |
| c0d3warrior | In reply to @thenewoil:matrix.org
Me, but not on Calyx so take that with a grain of salt. i was mainly looking for a desktop option, do you have another preference for a provider? | 03:22:52 |
