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27 Nov 2022
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@firstofth300:seymour.familyDanny Seymour

I'm not going to say you're wrong, but one of the things you have to realize is that you're measuring Element on a particular scale that is only used by a small subset of the population (at least here in the US). Most people don't care if they give a company access to their contacts or their phone number. The phone number requirement sadly has been made standard because it serves as a way of spam prevention.

Most people evaluate an application on the ease of use of the UI and the UX. People can have a very low tolerance for something if they know another application that performs the same function doesn't have said issue. My wife is a great example. I deployed our own Synapse server, registered her, put the username/password in our shared password manager, and she still doesn't like Element. The iOS app is buggy, the overall design isn't great, and she runs into little paper cuts like not being able to copy a portion of a message into her clipboard. For her, creating an account or the amount of data she was making available (or not) has made very little difference about her thoughts on the app. She does value encryption as she doesn't like the idea of someone being able to read her messages, but there's other apps that can accomplish that goal like Signal that have a better overall UX.

09:54:50
@firstofth300:seymour.familyDanny Seymour *

I'm not going to say you're wrong, but one of the things you have to realize is that you're measuring Element on a particular scale that is only used by a small subset of the population (at least here in the US). Most people don't care if they give a company access to their contacts or their phone number. The phone number requirement sadly has been made standard because it serves as a way of spam prevention.

Most people evaluate an application on the ease of use of the UI and the UX. People can have a very low tolerance for something if they know another application that performs the same function doesn't have said issue. My wife is a great example. I deployed our own Synapse server, registered her, put the username/password in our shared password manager, and she still doesn't like Element. The iOS app is buggy, the overall design isn't great, and she runs into little paper cuts like not being able to copy a portion of a message into her clipboard. For her, creating an account or the amount of data she was making available (or not) has made very little difference about her thoughts on the app. She does value encryption as she doesn't like the idea of someone being able to read her messages, but there's other apps like Signal accomplishing the same goal with better UX.

09:55:28
@mooshuxs:matrix.orgHAL9000

Thanks for explaining this.

There were 2 bugs I was aware of in iOS, and I am not sure they’re bugs.

One is my most recent post sometimes being presented as the most recent post in the room.

This displays the posts out of chronological order, which I find annoying and has confused me sometimes.

The other is showing double room icons, which may not happen any more.

Both of these used to happen a lot. I wasn’t sure if they were happening because my prior phone was listed as no longer supported

I replaced the battery in it, an iPhone 7 with the least expensive one I could find on eBay as well as the one in my roommates iPhone 5.

My battery held a charge no better than the it had replaced, the other battery performs much better than the battery it replaced

I am using an iPhone released a few years ago, but it’s still sold new by phone service providers.

I’ve had much less bug events with my new phone. I have no clue as to the difference being supported vs development/bug fixes.

Thanks for posting on this topic.

If anyone has bugs they encountered, please post a description.

I didn’t think of the phone number requirement as spam prevention, but as account attribution/tracking anti money laundering/ know your customer measures.

I associate it with ~ 38,000 NSA employees plus 500,000 contractors assigning behavior and statements to what I assume is a dossier they have on people.

I agree my thinking reaction isn’t normal behavior as FB, Twitter and Discord would be way less active.

I was scared away from Discord by the length of its user agreement. I have FB messenger but only use it sparingly to communicate with 2 people

And will have a user profile without it when I get a Pixel

14:59:47
@amanzer:matrix.orgA Manzer chrislas: New boost poll idea: Is it "Debian" or "Deebian"? I'm listening to LUP 485, and after the long conversation about GIF, Brent called it both Debian and Deebian in about 30 seconds. I've only ever heard one other person call it Deebian, so maybe it's a thing. 16:48:37
@istori:matrix.orghdL6chttps://podverse.fm/episode/kK_r7bVhf17:03:54
@chrislas:jupiterbroadcasting.comchrislas
In reply to @amanzer:matrix.org
chrislas: New boost poll idea: Is it "Debian" or "Deebian"? I'm listening to LUP 485, and after the long conversation about GIF, Brent called it both Debian and Deebian in about 30 seconds. I've only ever heard one other person call it Deebian, so maybe it's a thing.
Oh boy. We should probably settle this.
18:05:07
@dmanhaku:matrix.orgTheGoldenDragonDon't make me bewst it!18:06:17
@mikr:davralin.workmikrIt’s already settled, Debian is name constructed from Debbie (I think that’s the right name) and Ian19:20:38
@mikr:davralin.workmikr* It’s already settled, Debian is a name constructed from Debbie (I think that’s the right name) and Ian19:22:27
@mikr:davralin.workmikrhttps://www.debian.org/intro/about#history19:23:15
@mikr:davralin.workmikrIt’s also already settled upstream 😉19:23:31
@mikr:davralin.workmikr“Since many people have asked, Debian is pronounced /ˈde.bi.ən/. It comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra.”19:24:00
@squirrellydave:matrix.orgsquirrellydave brentgphoto: please save yourself the headache and go roll EndeavourOS 19:31:18
@squirrellydave:matrix.orgsquirrellydave It’s easy to install and arch is fine. 19:31:26
@mikr:davralin.workmikrArch might be fine, but Debian is superior19:43:43
@mikr:davralin.workmikr Want a rock-stable release that can be upgraded between releases?
Go stable
Want a tad newer, either due to packages, or due to hardware?
Go testing
Want the newest and greatest all the time?
Go Sid
19:46:27
@mikr:davralin.workmikr

You’re not stuck in LTS-land, such as with Ubuntu or RHEL.

There’s plenty of people running the same release on both servers and client, dissimilar to arch clients/centos servers, or Fedora clients/RHEL servers - with practically bi-yearly releases, running it as a desktop is not a “stupid” decision either

19:49:50
@mikr:davralin.workmikrThe best though, it’s boring and you can pick how stable you want it to be. And the corporate tax which was mentioned on the show is completely gone19:50:50
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@mozenwrathe:matrix.orgmozeNWrathe_iIiOkay.... I think this may be working after... three months away. Sort of. How does one change their name? 21:21:24
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28 Nov 2022
@rizado:matrix.org@rizado:matrix.org
In reply to @chrislas:jupiterbroadcasting.com
Oh boy. We should probably settle this.
That sounds more contentious than how to pronounce almond in california.
06:58:15
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@hank:myportal.socialHankThere are multiple ways to do that?10:37:49
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