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20 Mar 2020
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | Shenanigan *

a_blanchard-reed:

Thanks for sending! This helps a lot (I think) - so you're using ETH as a currency for betting, and then you're able to use a bit of the ETH that people wager to run the software? Please correct me if I'm wrong, there'll probably be a pretty steep learning curve with this.

yes, exactly. it takes ETH to make computations on the ethereum network. So if I want to add your bet to the blockchain it will cost a bit of ETH. (I think average right now is ~.50 cents per transaction). This is called gas. Bets will actually be made in Dai, which is a subset of ETH stapled to the US dollar

Also, could you explain the positive/negative distinction a little bit more from Story 1? Is positive like picking the underdog scenario, and negative is picking the favorite scenario?
A positive bet would be taking the side ot the iOn. It's saying that the person will achieve the goal.

Example

  • Jamie is an iOn . She loves to run. She has a goal to beat her mile time of 4:55
  • Jamie posts a wager on Shenanigan
Jamie's wager looks like this:
  • Positive
    Option 1: I beat my time of 4:55
    Option 2: set a new World Record
  • Negative
    Option 3: I don't beat my time of 4:55
  • Oscar and Leroy are particles
  • Oscar is an optimist and bets option 1, which has the least odds. We say he is positively charged becasue if Jamie succeeds in this, she will make money too
  • Leroy is skeptical of Jamies talent and bets option 3. We say he is negatively charged becasuse he's against Jamie.

Does that make sense? A key distinction to makle is that both positive and negative particles are necessary. Theyt arent bad or good, just different ends of the same stick. WIthout both sides playing the game is automatically canceled and Shenanigan moves on to the next one

08:54:01
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | Shenanigan *

a_blanchard-reed:

Thanks for sending! This helps a lot (I think) - so you're using ETH as a currency for betting, and then you're able to use a bit of the ETH that people wager to run the software? Please correct me if I'm wrong, there'll probably be a pretty steep learning curve with this.

yes, exactly. it takes ETH to make computations on the ethereum network. So if I want to add your bet to the blockchain it will cost a bit of ETH. (I think average right now is ~.50 cents per transaction). This is called gas. Bets will actually be made in Dai, which is a subset of ETH stapled to the US dollar

Also, could you explain the positive/negative distinction a little bit more from Story 1? Is positive like picking the underdog scenario, and negative is picking the favorite scenario?
A positive bet would be taking the side ot the iOn. It's saying that the person will achieve the goal.

Example

  • Jamie is an iOn . She loves to run. She has a goal to beat her mile time of 4:55
  • Jamie posts a wager on Shenanigan
Jamie's wager looks like this:
  • Positive
    Option 1: I beat my time of 4:55
    Option 2: set a new World Record
  • Negative
    Option 3: I don't beat my time of 4:55
Particles
  • Oscar and Leroy are particles
  • Oscar is an optimist and bets option 1, which has the least odds. We say he is positively charged becasue if Jamie succeeds in this, she will make money too
  • Leroy is skeptical of Jamies talent and bets option 3. We say he is negatively charged becasuse he's against Jamie.

Does that make sense? A key distinction to makle is that both positive and negative particles are necessary. Theyt arent bad or good, just different ends of the same stick. WIthout both sides playing the game is automatically canceled and Shenanigan moves on to the next one

08:54:34
@a_blanchard-reed:matrix.orga_blanchard-reed

That does make sense. So when athletes are setting up their wager scenario, there's an incentive for them to make a bet that will get both positive and negative wagers... Are athletes allowed to be the only person on the positive side or do they need to get someone to join them?

Also, just occurred to me, how are you regulating this to make sure there's no funny business and people are actually accomplishing their goals?

14:19:00
@a_blanchard-reed:matrix.orga_blanchard-reed Also, seems like there's something weird in the chart where your responses get copied three or four times... Do you know what's causing that? 14:19:46
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | Shenanigan

That does make sense. So when athletes are setting up their wager scenario, there's an incentive for them to make a bet that will get both positive and negative wagers... Are athletes allowed to be the only person on the positive side or do they need to get someone to join them?

Also, just occurred to me, how are you regulating this to make sure there's no funny business and people are actually accomplishing their goals?

Hmm i only see my responses once?

That's the beauty of Ethereum. I can set up an automated system to meditate these bets. I can tell you more if you want to here about how I plan on doing it.

16:00:13
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | Shenanigan It could be my edits or be quoting you? 16:01:09
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | ShenaniganDo you have an iphone?16:43:18
@a_blanchard-reed:matrix.orga_blanchard-reedNope. Android - do you think that's what causing it? It's that way on my Mac too though16:56:02
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | Shenaniganah thats why. the android client is under a revamp19:38:07
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | Shenanigandownload rioitX19:38:19
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | Shenaniganits in beta but its way better19:38:28
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | ShenaniganriotX20:12:05
22 Mar 2020
@a_blanchard-reed:matrix.orga_blanchard-reedOkay I'll look into that. Taking it back to Story 1, who are you trying to communicate to? Potential betters, athletes, or both? Also, just to make sure I've got the story straight, this is about how the game works and how your wagers are used to fuel that game - right?23:12:16
23 Mar 2020
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | ShenaniganIt should be geared toward the general public. People who are looking at the product and what we do. This is to present them information. Then let them decide which aspect of the app they're interested in, better or athlete. I08:15:06
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | ShenaniganThis will most likely be peoples first introduction to the app and crypto so, the visual should relay the basic concepts.08:49:14
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | ShenaniganThere is a community, there is an exchange of money into a singular pot, there is one iOn athlete08:50:21
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | ShenaniganEtc08:50:43
@a_blanchard-reed:matrix.orga_blanchard-reedOkay. That should be what I need to at least get started. Thanks for walking me through everything!14:50:54
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | Shenaniganno problem let . me know how things r going and send over some ideas16:02:29
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | Shenanigan * no problem let . me know how things r going. send over some ideas if your unsure16:05:43
29 Mar 2020
@a_blanchard-reed:matrix.orga_blanchard-reedOkay, so here's a basic framework I think might work for these stories to help people understand the concepts a little easier. Let me know your thoughts: Shenanigan is the arcade Ethereum is the game tokens Scenarios are individual games Betting sides are players (each game has two players, a positive and a negative) Athletes are the in-game characters Winnings are the tickets18:06:58
30 Mar 2020
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | ShenaniganHmmm yeah I like this. Makes a lot of sense. Can't wait to see how your plans to draw it.05:16:42
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | ShenaniganOne thing. Scenarios are going to be called wagers 05:17:20
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | ShenaniganAnd technically the winnings are also ethereum. So maybe have an image of the game token on the ticket? 05:19:31
4 Apr 2020
@a_blanchard-reed:matrix.orga_blanchard-reed Cool I should have some sketches ready this weekend - just so I know for later when we're getting these finalized, would you prefer a more hand-drawn cartoony look or more vector illustration? If you have some examples of a visual style you really like I'd be interested to see 16:52:44
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | Shenaniganhonestly do what you think looks best with the logo/website design18:33:26
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | ShenaniganI can tell you that I dont want pixelated18:33:40
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | ShenaniganRedacted or Malformed Event18:34:31
5 Apr 2020
@youngkidwarrior:matrix.orgVictor | Shenanigan* honestly do what you think looks best alongside the logo/website design02:25:31
@a_blanchard-reed:matrix.orga_blanchard-reedoh like 8 bit? noted. for now I think I'll focus on figuring out what the images will be and then figure out the style when we get to that point.16:09:09

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