| 5 Jul 2018 |
 @guylepage3:matrix.org | Man.. I've just played around with Gitter, Riot, and Discord... None come close to capturing a decent experience for chat. | 14:39:29 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | Skype, Telegram and Signal are even better experiences. | 14:39:58 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | @vsund | 14:40:55 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | You use Matrix the most? | 14:41:10 |
 @vsund:matrix.vsund.de | guylepage3: yup | 14:42:08 |
| @vsund:matrix.vsund.de | and i fully agree that the ux (especially of matrix) isn't great (yet! :)) | 14:42:29 |
| @vsund:matrix.vsund.de | but it's way easier to improve ui/ux than introduce a federated system below | 14:43:10 |
| @vsund:matrix.vsund.de | (not to forget the spirit/movement around it, federation/openness is a core belief of the community) | 14:44:14 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | I sit on the board of a design company where the CEO was the CEO of the team that designed and built Slack. They iterated it for 3 months before perfecting it.. What is taking all of these apps so long to do something that they just need to copy Slack's UX? Lol | 14:44:38 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | https://rocket.chat/ | 14:45:26 |
| @vsund:matrix.vsund.de | probably not noticing how important ux and easy copying is | 14:45:35 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | Rocket Chat copied them.. | 14:45:38 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | Is anyone opposed to using Rocket Chat? | 14:45:49 |
| @vsund:matrix.vsund.de | if you've got some free time guylepage3, i'm sure they've taking all advice they can get ;) | 14:46:06 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | Haha.. | 14:46:31 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | I think my hands are super full. Haha | 14:46:40 |
| @vsund:matrix.vsund.de | 😂 | 14:46:57 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | Let's try this out for a few days as @clin | 14:46:58 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | Akkk.. | 14:47:04 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | ...as clintnelsen mentioned | 14:47:17 |
 clintnelsen | jack just recommended Riot in slack | 14:47:55 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | gotcha | 14:48:14 |
| clintnelsen | but I'm open to Rocketchat too | 14:48:27 |
| @vsund:matrix.vsund.de |
Is anyone opposed to using Rocket Chat?
it's definitely better than slack (because you own your data), but though it's not federated (any thereby an order of magnitude less open than federated systems)
| 14:48:43 |
| clintnelsen | now im getting some chat delay on my end | 14:48:46 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | vsund: | 14:48:54 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | Do you have any reasons you'd prefer Riot over Rocket Chat? | 14:49:17 |
| @vsund:matrix.vsund.de | the end goal of matrix is to not have to think in which app you'd have to go to write someone | 14:49:14 |
| @guylepage3:matrix.org | There's also Keybase... | 14:49:56 |
| @vsund:matrix.vsund.de | rocketchat (and every other non-federating software) is more or less a self-hosted data silo (or self-controlled walled garden) | 14:50:39 |
