| 9 Aug 2020 |
|  @tmue:matrix.org left the room. | 14:43:05 |
 Marquel | giambr1: i apparently don't (yet). maybe it is indeed caused by me removing privileges from that bunch of google-crap it is shipped with, but that in turn means it really _is_ software-crap, as it apparently no longer works without giving aunt google as it is called in germany excessive privileges to the system. in that case, i take the hardware, thank you very much, but _please_ leave the software question to me, the default (and, | 16:05:02 |
| Marquel | unfortunately only one) is not usable for anyone not wanting to hand over everything to google. | 16:05:11 |
 klic | Hmm, in fact, i can't remember whether gboard was the built-in keyboard, but that would explain what you're seeing | 16:12:17 |
 giambr1 | In reply to@freenode_Marquel:matrix.org
giambr1: i apparently don't (yet). maybe it is indeed caused by me removing privileges from that bunch of google-crap it is shipped with, but that in turn means it really _is_ software-crap, as it apparently no longer works without giving aunt google as it is called in germany excessive privileges to the system. in that case, i take the hardware, thank you very much, but _please_ leave the software question to me, the default (and, It could be. I do not see any arm towards the environment in shipping an FP3 with android but I understand your point (which concerns privacy and free software).
A nice option is to buy an FP3 from the eOS foundation. They install eOS for you. In this way you avoid aunt google.
My choice was to install eOS as soon as I switched on my FP3. I didn't sign in any google account and the phone was offline during the whole process. So I assume nothing was handed over. | 16:35:33 |
| Marquel | giambr1: do not get me wrong: i _am_ happy with the phone's aim at using fair trade rare earth metals als well as keeping them operational for as long as possible, I'm just unhappy with the software options offered. the fp2 was offered with FPOSOS, w/o google built-in - this has vanished from FP3 and I thnk that's a regression ;) | 16:51:23 |
 Matthijs Kooijman | Did anyone hear from FP what their rationale was for not offering an open OS? I can imagine they wanted to focus more on the hardware, or maybe were duplicating efforts already taken by LOS and /e/, but I would be curious to hear what they said about it. | 16:57:20 |
 leth | I think there's a point in a foss community os for the sake of device life time usage. But this subject is overly talked about. | 19:11:34 |
 mp | simple cost saving, they outsourced software development | 21:12:38 |
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| freenode_poperigby[m] | I wish they would work with PostmarketOS to get that working | 21:25:32 |
| leth | It's a matter of what components you chose as well. | 22:04:05 |
| leth | But still. | 22:04:11 |
| 10 Aug 2020 |
| Marquel | well, i guess i am in for a bumpy ride with getting LOS-16 to run on the fp3 now. | 07:16:04 |
| Marquel | well... it looks like LOS is coming up. | 07:26:41 |
| Marquel | okay, LOS-16 has just booted up (yay!) now i wonder if i can relock the bootloader to avoid the message during system start. is that so? | 07:32:41 |
| giambr1 | with eOS you had the option to relock it just after flashing everything. I never tried LOS but I think the procedure is very similar. On the official website, it should be explained. | 07:49:57 |
| Marquel | giambr1: you don't happen to know that official website? ;) | 07:54:19 |
| giambr1 | https://wiki.lineageos.org/ maybe here. | 08:07:47 |
| giambr1 | In my case (FP3, eOS) the command was `fastboot flashing lock` | 08:12:34 |
 Mathijs | fastboot flashing lock will still lock the bootloader, but I'm not sure if the bootloader will accept the lineageOS stuff and thus allow you to boot | 08:27:34 |
| Mathijs | I'm fairly sure it won't work with TWRP | 08:27:57 |
| Mathijs | though I haven't tried either way | 08:28:03 |
| Marquel | fastboot oem lock did it as well. | 08:56:41 |
| Marquel | only thing now, i need to add two files to /system - do i need to unlock again to remount /system rw? | 08:58:28 |
| Marquel | hrmkay. now, how do i get my two files into LOS-16 without rebuilding it? | 09:53:08 |
| Marquel | adb root/remount doesn't work from within LOS, doing it outside with twrp doesn't work persistently either and unlocking/relocking the bootloader always wipes all data, which is technically a no-go anyway. | 09:53:54 |
| giambr1 | maybe with some terminal on the phone (like termux) with root access? never tried. | 10:02:07 |
| Marquel | giambr1: well, if the system denies mounting itself rw, then i guess it doesn't matter, what any app wants to do. | 10:13:42 |
| Marquel | however, the interesting thing is, twrp booted from fastboot _did_ find the files stored by myself, it's just, they seem invisible from within LOS...???? | 10:14:26 |
