| 21 Sep 2020 |
 tgr | You can use the LocalUserCreated hook or one of the AuthenticationProvider callbacks if you want to add extra things to a new user account. But you don't want to use any account creation methods in that case. | 18:22:25 |
 hexmode | k, that is probably better than the deferred update. | 18:23:01 |
| hexmode | Here's the real reason I came into the room: do you know of anything that talks about the difference between purging a page and a null edit on the page? | 18:24:22 |
| tgr | a null edit is a kind of purge | 18:25:02 |
| hexmode | It seems like they would be the same, but I guess I can understand why purging might not do some stuff that a null edit does | 18:25:12 |
| tgr | in API terms, one with forcelinkupdate=true and forcerecursivelinkupdate=false | 18:25:44 |
| hexmode | (at least it looks like there is some different action around categories and SMW) | 18:26:01 |
| hexmode | ooo! | 18:26:04 |
| hexmode | so that could explain it. | 18:26:16 |
| hexmode | right? | 18:26:20 |
| hexmode | I mean, categories are links... | 18:26:56 |
| tgr | the code paths are not the same so in theory other differences are possible, although they would be unintentional | 18:30:22 |
| tgr | but in theory index.php?action=purge is equivalent to the API's forcelinkupdate=false&forcerecursivelinkupdate=false, and a null edit is equivalent to the API's forcelinkupdate=true&forcerecursivelinkupdate=false | 18:31:10 |
| tgr | so the first basically just clears internal HTML caches other than the parser cache. The second clears both and redoes the parsing (and as a side effect that will also update link tables). forcelinkupdate=true&forcerecursivelinkupdate=true will also re-parse all the pages that depend on the page (usually via transcluding it as a template) | 18:33:07 |
| hexmode |
a null edit is equivalent to the API's forcelinkupdate=true&forcerecursivelinkupdate=false
ooo! a new toy for my diagnostics 😀
| 19:54:35 |
| 22 Sep 2020 |
| hexmode | Is importing pages and page content model confusion a known issue? Looks like this person is seeing some problem with importing pages into the Module namespace. | 14:26:33 |
| tgr | maybe a result of importing the dump before installing the relevant extension? | 17:53:09 |
| 24 Sep 2020 |
 bryandamon | Is there a query or method to determine all transclusions (not from templates) on a wiki? | 05:57:05 |
| tgr | what do you mean, not from templates? | 09:12:36 |
| bryandamon | I think when you call a template from another page, it's technically transclusion as well? Either way, I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in tracking down all normal transclusions and (if installed) Labeled Section Transclusions. | 15:27:08 |
| bryandamon | For example, if there was a template "Template:Note", I'm not as interested in tracking down all instances of {{Note}}. But if there was a page "Hello", I'd want to know how many times some version of {{:Hello}} was used and where. | 16:30:16 |
| bryandamon | * For example, if there was a template "Template:Note", I'm not as interested in tracking down all instances of {{Note}}. But if there was a page "Hello", I'd want to know how many times some version of {{:Hello}} was used and where. | 16:30:38 |
 rundg | Bryan Hilderbrand: You could find them (page transclusions) by using "Speical:ReplaceText" with a search string of {{: | 17:08:40 |
 Marijn van Wezel | That would not work for transclusions from outside the main namespace | 17:09:53 |
| rundg | Why not? You can select "Search in (all) namespaces" . I found a false positive in my wiki because I have a Help page that explains how to do transclusions and uses <nowiki> tags | 17:13:55 |
| rundg | Oh, I get it... because : represents Main | 17:14:49 |
| Marijn van Wezel | It is also possible to transclude pages that are outside the main namespace. For instance {{Help:Foobar}} would be a valid transclusion | 17:15:06 |
| bryandamon | Ah! Good stuff. Yeah, for other namespaces you could search for {{NAMESPACE:. Interesting, thanks! | 17:44:28 |
| bryandamon | Ultimately, I wish there was special page like Special:WantedPages that showed the transclusion ({{:Hello}} or {{Help:Hi}}) with the links (and count) to the pages that used them. Kind of like a transclusion library. But thanks Marijn van Wezel and freephile, you got me what I needed for now 🙂 | 17:49:01 |
| tgr | There is no difference whatsoever between {{note}} and ``{{:note}}` internally, other than the source page being in a different namespace | 18:15:51 |
