| 24 Jul 2023 |
 vrtesterman | TBH most people who tinker with this stuff have no qualms about using unofficial windows builds or upgrades. I paid for mine but the display core api is a bit annoying to use and even their sample crashes easily | 21:16:02 |
| vrtesterman | I much prefer the Vulkan-based Direct2Display which absolutely does work on Windows, at least on Nvidia | 21:16:27 |
| vrtesterman | I can't remember exactly, but I may have had to use my EDID box to let it work, or the DisplayCore EDID trick, or just the old Nvidia DirectMode whitelist reg file | 21:17:01 |
| vrtesterman | this was like four years ago I did this. | 21:17:15 |
 haagch | I got pro for work but I know that microsoft is doing the winrar thing where you can use it (illegally) basically indefinitely without activating | 21:17:21 |
| haagch | not that I would advocate it | 21:17:42 |
| haagch | just use linux instead 🙂 | 21:17:51 |
| vrtesterman | ya, most gamers don't care either about using legit windows copies. I only switched to legit like ten years ago when I started working from home | 21:18:03 |
| vrtesterman | Using pro for workstations to get free edid spoofing is a lot less of an ask for most people than switching to Linux. I've been a Linux user since the 90s but it's still a huge amount of fussing to get stuff working. that's poison to the mainstream | 21:18:58 |
| vrtesterman | Apple proved this. PC VR is dying because it's so much work to get it working | 21:19:13 |
| vrtesterman | I spent like 2 hours on saturday just trying to get MSFS running smoothly on my Pico 3 here. | 21:19:34 |
| vrtesterman | And just reinstalling some flight sims like WarPlanes, I had to redo all my HOTAS bindings which also wasted a bunch of time. time I would've rather spend gaming. Linux may be a good option with an idiot-proof GUI like SteamDeck has, but not if you have to use a command line | 21:20:55 |
 .pblack | for sure, I think most people would certainly regard 'works on windows pro' as substantially better than 'doesnt work at all' | 21:21:42 |
| vrtesterman | I have Windows 11 Pro on my gaming machine here and the Dedicated Gaming Display option isn't here. it's only on Pro for Workstations. and that's pretty hard to even find on the MS store | 21:22:49 |
| vrtesterman | here it is: | 21:27:11 |
| vrtesterman | https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-remove-display-from-desktop-in-windows | 21:27:12 |
| vrtesterman | I bet any money there's a way to do it on regular Windows 10/11 but Microsoft is gatekeeping it for extra license upgrades. Even though practically nobody uses it except hardware tinkerers or custom display installations (for ads / billboards) | 21:29:21 |
| vrtesterman | What is actually useful for Windows is the Vulkan Direct2Display solution, which isn't proprietary and doesn't just work on Windows but Linux too, so in theory the same code should be cross-plat | 21:30:38 |
| vrtesterman | I honestly do not remember what I did to use it though, if the "remove display from desktop" translated under the hood in the Nvidia drivers to something the VK D2D API can use, or if I used the old VR Works whitelist, or just my EDID box | 21:31:27 |
| vrtesterman | but I'd stick to Vulkan, the MS API is really tempermental and even their own compositor code sample that pushes out some colourful clears to your "disconnected" display, didn't work reliably, you'd often have to restart it once or twice | 21:32:55 |
| vrtesterman | really irritating | 21:32:55 |
| vrtesterman | For NV stuff, there are some hidden options in the beta drivers that you can activate (like some direct mode stuff I believe) using a command-line tool. I believe D2D is one of them, it's disabled by default on Windows. Requiring beta NV drivers is more of a dealbreaker for most people than having to have Windows 10/11 Pro for Workstations, I think, cause it doesn't have auto-driver updates | 21:34:13 |
| haagch | VK_EXT_direct_mode_display? That has 0 reports on gpuinfo.org. Wasn't that the one only nvidia supports? | 21:40:49 |
| .pblack | some docs here: https://github.com/nvpro-samples/gl_render_vk_ddisplay | 21:58:13 |
| .pblack | this is probably all off-topic for #driver-north-star to some extent anyways | 21:59:37 |
| .pblack | maybe i should repost my links in #🪟-windows and delete them from here? | 23:27:37 |
| 25 Jul 2023 |
 bornecrantz | Yeah the links would be good there as well, no need to remove them. Tbh, adding them to the webpage or monado docs even better. | 00:21:56 |
| bornecrantz | Also to go by that nvpro-sample, Monado should without modification just be able to use the VK_KHR_display backend on Windows. | 00:23:08 |
| bornecrantz | set XRT_COMPOSITOR_FORCE_VK_DISPLAY=0 and monado-service.exe. | 00:25:05 |
 moshi 🌈🐈 | woahhh | 00:50:03 |
