| 13 Nov 2020 |
 VIVIT | The words are etymologically unrelated. | 23:49:07 |
 Cur_固嚛訥 | * If one assumes solipsism, then science is an imperialism of the mind. | 23:49:11 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | Are they? People often choose words based on hyponyms.
I have difficulty believing the academics who coined the word empirical,
didn't think about imperialist ideology almost daily.. | 23:50:42 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | oops | 23:51:43 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | * Are they? People often choose words based on (uhh?).
I have difficulty believing the academics who coined the word empirical,
didn't think about imperialist ideology almost daily.. | 23:52:00 |
| VIVIT | "Empire" comes from the Latin "imperium". The initial "i" turned into an "e" because the word came into English through French. | 23:52:52 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | * Are they? People often choose words based on homophonism.
I have difficulty believing the academics who coined the word empirical,
didn't think about imperialist ideology almost daily.. | 23:53:19 |
| VIVIT | "Empiric" comes straight from the Latin "empiricus". | 23:53:29 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | That's fine but those people all talk to each other in that period. | 23:54:25 |
| VIVIT | No...? | 23:54:41 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | Merchants didn't need the word empiric or imperial,
unless unfortunately exposed to an invading or occupying empire. | 23:55:40 |
| VIVIT | If you know Latin in England in the Early Modern Era, you know how to read and write. | 23:55:40 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | You see the problem with using etymology here..
{imperial, empiric, empire} | 23:57:56 |
| VIVIT | Empyrean. | 23:58:03 |
| VIVIT | I don't see the problem, no. | 23:58:22 |
| VIVIT | You're saying that because those words look the same to you, they must be connected semantically and must have been connected semantically in historical use. | 23:59:43 |
| 14 Nov 2020 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | Arguing against that rarely holds ground.
People only preserve similarities in language if irony exists. | 00:03:04 |
| VIVIT | What do you mean by "irony"? | 00:03:20 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | Otherwise people tend to prefer differences to avoid confusion. | 00:03:22 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | Dramatic irony. | 00:03:28 |
| VIVIT | Uh. | 00:03:29 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | Potential to learn something. | 00:03:43 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | A reason for the similarity. | 00:03:53 |
| VIVIT | What's your reasoning for that? | 00:04:13 |
| VIVIT | Note that the word "empire" is Anglo-French, but "empiric" is Latin. They're literally from different languages. | 00:04:43 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | Successful application of that principle. | 00:04:53 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | If I find a similarity in language, I investigate for a reason and often learn something. | 00:05:30 |
| VIVIT | And yet our language is full of unrelated homophones. | 00:05:40 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | More often simply a very obscure or esoteric irony exists. | 00:06:33 |
| Cur_固嚛訥 | Application of that principle helps people learn comedy. | 00:07:10 |
