| 18 Feb 2020 |
 ronin.remote | k | 18:21:40 |
 bobsummerwill | Is this all a big shitshow? Yes it is. Evidently. But it can resolved easily enough. | 18:22:19 |
| bobsummerwill | And it is only a mess on the testnets.
Which are for testing.
For finding such consensus issues before they hit the Mainnet.
I am sure that everybody would have loved a much cleaner execution, but we are all flawed humans and we screw things up. We need to work from where we are. | 18:24:12 |
 Wei Tang (account deprecated, use @wei:parity.io for work and @wei:pacna.org for private) | By the way I’m considering clarifying this in EIP-2200 — https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/pull/2514 That will mean reverting #11474. That won’t affect Ethereum at all so shouldn’t be a big deal. | 18:25:21 |
 vorot93 | Redacted or Malformed Event | 20:55:06 |
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| 19 Feb 2020 |
|  Discord Bridge invited  raulio. | 10:17:27 |
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 @andronik:matrix.parity.io | Continuing the discussion we had at the last meeting on why some people would GPL over Apache, here is a blog post by one of the parity employees:
https://maciej.codes/2019-03-09-why-gpl.html | 14:41:22 |
| vorot93 | ordian I’m afraid author’s argument is misplaced - GPL does not prevent users from running servers with closed source in-house modifications. AGPL does but it’s a different and much less popular license. | 14:45:54 |
| vorot93 | Google can easily take OpenEthereum and modify it for their needs. Maybe Infura does that already? | 14:47:03 |
| Wei Tang (account deprecated, use @wei:parity.io for work and @wei:pacna.org for private) | vorot93: In the mean time, I also don't think it's a good argument to say "because something doesn't cover all cases, we should completely abolish it". GPL is not perfect, but if we'd want "free software", it's better than nothing. | 14:50:09 |
| Wei Tang (account deprecated, use @wei:parity.io for work and @wei:pacna.org for private) | Of course, whether we should want "free software" (or instead plain "open source" is enough) is another different philosophical issue that people may have different opinions. | 14:50:46 |
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| dvdplm | Then there's the tired old trope of "Enterprises won't touch GPL with a ten foot pole!"… 😉 | 14:52:41 |
| vorot93 | Don’t get me wrong - I support free software too and have donated much of my time to the Linux community as well. I just don’t think that Total war approach enforced by GPL is the best one. | 14:53:51 |
| Wei Tang (account deprecated, use @wei:parity.io for work and @wei:pacna.org for private) | I really don't see war anywhere. GPL is... GPL and you can use it freely. Where's the war? | 14:54:56 |
| vorot93 | dvdplm I don’t have qualms about DAO license either. People in black suits from legal do however. And they would block a lot of contributors from joining us here. | 14:56:10 |
| dvdplm | That's a fair PoV and nobody's contesting anyone else's opinion. 🙂 | 14:56:30 |
| vorot93 | dvdplm I agree. Workshop attendees voiced their preferences loud and clear. The ball is ultimately in Parity management’s court. Us arguing here is not going to change the basic facts on the ground. | 15:00:05 |
| @andronik:matrix.parity.io | Sorry, I didn't mean to start another long discussion, it's just this question was asked during the last meeting and here are some of the reason to have a GPL preference. | 15:01:24 |
| vorot93 | ordian not to worry, still useful to see the other side of the argument | 15:03:01 |
| bobsummerwill | sorpaas Please could you comment/confirm on this EIP-2200 confusion? Thanks!
https://github.com/ethereumclassic/ECIPs/issues/262#issuecomment-588520036 | 23:06:41 |
| Wei Tang (account deprecated, use @wei:parity.io for work and @wei:pacna.org for private) | When dealing with chains like ETC, we use whatever interpretation that they think is better. So for ETC the opcode gas cost is changed, but for Ethereum (the canonical interpretation) it does not. https://twitter.com/sorpaas/status/1229890646971949059 | 23:08:37 |
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| 20 Feb 2020 |
| bobsummerwill | ordian vorot93 Indeed, you are correct that GPLv3 is ineffective to protect against the corporate surveillance which the author is concerned about.
That is the exact reason for the creation of AGPLv3:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Affero_General_Public_License | 07:47:34 |
| 21 Feb 2020 |
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