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Thomistic philosophy and all discussions of a metaphysical nature are primary, secondary issues regarding apologetics. Also anything regarding Catholic doctrine plus dogma and the application of it in real modern day life.43 Servers

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24 Jan 2021
@gerryireland:matrix.orggerryireland
In reply to @86ul:privacytools.io
Therefore to me, there is a difference between the Congregation the Bride Herself, and the institution that call itself the mother "Roman Catholic Church".
That’s because you are a Protestant. And that’s why Sedes are also a type of Protestant.
11:58:48
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul
In reply to MILES·CHRISTI
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4g3bfrzGrz5M/
Thanks for this video. To quote from according to this topic of shepherds, "it would be the most miserable condition of the Church [aka Congregation], if she were compelled to recognize a wolf [aka an institution] manifesting prowling for a shepherd [the mother 'Church']", see '8"12
14:44:54
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul* Thanks for this video. To quote from according to this topic of shepherds, "it would be the most miserable condition of the Church [aka Congregation], if she were compelled to recognize a wolf [aka an institution] manifesting prowling for a shepherd [the mother 'Church']", see '8"1214:45:40
@gpab:matrix.orgPablo Girollet changed their profile picture.14:50:47
@86ul:privacytools.io86ulAfter watching the video, two things I would like to note.15:04:58
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul
In reply to 86ul (@86ul:privacytools.io)
Although Tradition can have a conservative tone, John XXIII used it as to bring what is told in the past to the present, with his (in) famous word aggironamento https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggiornamento?wprov=sfla1
1 ) Although the pope John XXIII -with his Aggiornamento- the following VCII, and following popes, are not the right popes according to this video, the video does not converse about the possibility that the pre-VCII Vatican was already a "wolf" (Bellarmine), but John XXIII and the followings popes were just trying to get the Church back on the Way.
15:12:18
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul* 1) Although the pope John XXIII -with his Aggiornamento- the following VCII, and following popes, are _not_ the right popes according to this video, the video does not converse about the possibility that the pre-VCII Vatican was already a "wolf" (Bellarmine), but John XXIII and the followings popes were just trying to get the Church back on the Way.15:14:18
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul* 1 ) Although the pope John XXIII -with his Aggiornamento- the following VCII, and following popes, are _not_ the right popes according to this video, the video does not converse about the possibility that the pre-VCII Vatican was already a "wolf" (Bellarmine), but John XXIII and the followings popes were just trying to get the Church back on the Way.15:14:28
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul2 ) Therefore it is possible that the video is not about the true Church/Congregation/ekklēsia, but about the opposite. To say it differently: allow me to use their arguments against their own arguments.15:18:31
@86ul:privacytools.io86ulOr to say it Biblical: “For with the judgment you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get." https://ref.ly/r/nrsv/Mt7.2 “in quo enim iudicio iudi caveritis, iudicabimini, et in qua mensura mensi fueritis, metietur vobis.” https://ref.ly/r/novavulgata/Mt7.215:19:49
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul
In reply to @86ul:matrix.org
Paradox is something untrue and yet at the very same time true? Or am I mistaken?
Which brings me back to a topic that we had last December. Something can be both Good (True) and evil (un-true) as evil is a parasite on the Good.
15:26:25
@86ul:privacytools.io86ulOr to rephrase it to this topic, both the video and the VCII popes can both be Good/True, and wrong/evil/un-true, as the twi-light is both Light/Good/True and 'light'/dark/evil/un-true at the very same time. https://www.etymonline.com/word/twilight?utm_source=app15:29:22
@86ul:privacytools.io86ulWhich brings me to a Jewish question. "A Rabbi once asked his students, “how do we know when the night has ended and the day has begun?” Immediately the students thought that they grasped the importance of the question." http://www.jasonvalendy.net/blog/2015/2/17/do-you-know-when-has-the-night-ended-and-the-day-begun15:34:04
@86ul:privacytools.io86ulOr to say it Biblical/with the TeNaCH about the darkness in ourselves in Gen. 4:6.7 "The Lord said to Cain, 'Why are you angry, and why has your _countenance fallen_? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is lurking at the door; its desire is for you, but you must master it.” https://ref.ly/r/nrsv/Ge4.6 “Dixitque Dominus ad eum: 'Quare iratus es, et cur _concidit facies_ tua? Nonne si bene egeris, vultum attolles? Sin autem male, in foribus peccatum insidiabitur, et ad te erit appetitus eius, tu autem dominaberis illius.'" https://ref.ly/r/novavulgata/Ge4.615:38:51
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul
In reply to @86ul:matrix.org
I will doing my dishes than/now. Feel free 'call' me anytime...
But I will do my dishes now...
15:42:01
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul* 2 ) Therefore it is possible that the video is not about the true Church/Congregation/ekklēsia, but about the opposite. To say it differently: allow me to use their arguments against their own arguments.15:43:32
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul* Or to say it Biblical/with the TeNaCH about the darkness in ourselves in Gen. 4:6.7 "The Lord said to Cain, 'Why are you angry, and why has your _countenance fallen_? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is lurking at the door; its desire is for you, but you must master it.” https://ref.ly/r/nrsv/Ge4.6 “Dixitque Dominus ad eum: 'Quare iratus es, et cur _concidit facies_ tua? Nonne si bene egeris, vultum attolles? Sin autem male, in foribus peccatum insidiabitur, et ad te erit appetitus eius, tu autem dominaberis illius.'" https://ref.ly/r/novavulgata/Ge4.615:48:30
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul
In reply to 86ul (@86ul:privacytools.io)
1 ) Although the pope John XXIII -with his Aggiornamento- the following VCII, and following popes, are not the right popes according to this video, the video does not converse about the possibility that the pre-VCII Vatican was already a "wolf" (Bellarmine), but John XXIII and the followings popes were just trying to get the Church back on the Way.
Sneaky me, “Jesus said to him, 'I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" https://ref.ly/r/nrsv/Jn14.6 “Dicit ei Iesus: 'Ego sum via et veritas et vita; nemo venit ad Patrem nisi per me.'” https://ref.ly/r/novavulgata/Jn14.6
15:56:41
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul* Sneaky me, “Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" https://ref.ly/r/nrsv/Jn14.6 “Dicit ei Iesus: 'Ego sum via et veritas et vita; nemo venit ad Patrem nisi per me.'” https://ref.ly/r/novavulgata/Jn14.615:57:05
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul* Sneaky me, “Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" https://ref.ly/r/nrsv/Jn14.6 “Dicit ei Iesus: 'Ego sum via et veritas et vita; nemo venit ad Patrem nisi per me.'” https://ref.ly/r/novavulgata/Jn14.615:57:19
@86ul:privacytools.io86ul* Sneaky me, “Jesus said to him, 'I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" https://ref.ly/r/nrsv/Jn14.6 “Dicit ei Iesus: 'Ego sum via et veritas et vita; nemo venit ad Patrem nisi per me.'” https://ref.ly/r/novavulgata/Jn14.615:57:52
@gerryireland:matrix.orggerryireland 🤷‍♂️ can’t really follow what your argument is. 17:56:43
@matheus.lopes:matrix.orgGrunky06Christ founded the Church as a Sacrament of Himself, so the Church of Christ is a spiritual reality of the people of God united as ekklesia that has its manifestation as the institutional Catholic Church, if there's no an institution, there's no Sacrament.18:18:38
@matheus.lopes:matrix.orgGrunky06Using ekklesia as a purely spiritual reality or without the material manifestation of it in the institution is the same that Martin Luther did, therefore it's a Protestant view.18:20:39
@gerryireland:matrix.orggerryireland
In reply to @matheus.lopes:matrix.org
Christ founded the Church as a Sacrament of Himself, so the Church of Christ is a spiritual reality of the people of God united as ekklesia that has its manifestation as the institutional Catholic Church, if there's no an institution, there's no Sacrament.
I agree
18:22:43
@gerryireland:matrix.orggerryireland
In reply to @matheus.lopes:matrix.org
Using ekklesia as a purely spiritual reality or without the material manifestation of it in the institution is the same that Martin Luther did, therefore it's a Protestant view.
I also agree
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25 Jan 2021
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