| 19 Jan 2021 |
 Katie Charm | But if you chose not to play *any* game of language at all, your ability to interact with the world would be severely crippled. All modern civilization depends on it. You wouldn’t even be able to read this sentence. | 23:37:31 |
| Katie Charm | Starting a couple tens of thousands of years ago, the first structured religions began to form (along with the advent of writing). By participating in these ‘games’ people were alleviated from the burden of existential dread, and they also had a guaranteed set of theological rules and values they could use to communicate with each other.
In our modern world we have begun doing away with the benefits of playing a game of religion, but there are still benefits. For example, if you refuse to play such a game in a country like Saudi Arabia you may lose your life or freedom. | 23:39:43 |
| Katie Charm | Blockchains are also games. The things that create good blockchains are also principles of good infinite game design - equity, fairness, accessibility, etc | 23:40:33 |
| Katie Charm | * But if you chose not to play *any* game of language at all, your ability to interact with the world would be severely crippled. All modern civilization depends on it. You wouldn’t even be able to read this sentence. | 23:41:36 |
| Katie Charm | Good infinite games are played because they offer overwhelming natural advantages to participants. Bad infinite games are played through force and threats of violence. Monero is a good infinite game, played because it is well designed and offers overwhelming advantage for participants. The US Dollar is a bad infinite game because it is only played due to participants being forced to by the government. | 23:44:48 |
| Katie Charm | That is heavily simplified (sure the US Dollar isn’t all bad) but hopefully you catch my general flow. | 23:45:57 |
 rxy | tl;dr there's a benefit to being involved with Monero, therefore, people are involved with Monero | 23:52:59 |
| 20 Jan 2021 |
| Katie Charm | Sure but it also gives a basis for *why* premines and dev taxes and shit are so bad - they destroy the equitable principles of the infinite game they are trying to spawn. | 00:00:58 |
 TiedToAStar | I swear the tape is looping | 00:25:03 |
 MrMuffles | How do you think the govt might try to regulate crypto if enough money goes into it? | 02:52:52 |
 copenhagen_bram | You mean besides what they're already doing? Requiring exchanges to do KYC, taxing cryptocurrencies? | 02:54:23 |
 omega_x | Travel rule
Declare wallet addresses
etc | 02:54:59 |
| copenhagen_bram | Maybe they'll make an official permissioned crypto USD. And it would still be better than credit cards in my opinion | 02:55:04 |
| omega_x | FinCen is here to fuck us up | 02:55:09 |
| copenhagen_bram | Well... more secure than credit cards, at least | 02:55:28 |
| omega_x | all countries will have digital , traceable cureencies | 02:55:59 |
| copenhagen_bram | I just really hate how I have to stick my credit card in someone else's machine, type my pin on their machine, and trust them not to empty my bank account | 02:56:05 |
| copenhagen_bram | I'd go for a US cryptocurrency if it uses proven cryptography and addresses, even if it's permissioned and censorable. If it's secure, and they can get everyone to use it instead of credit cards, that'd be great. | 03:00:57 |
 Bo 80 | In reply to Katie Charm
Starting a couple tens of thousands of years ago, the first structured religions began to form (along with the advent of writing). By participating in these ‘games’ people were alleviated from the burden of existential dread, and they also had a guaranteed set of theological rules and values they could use to communicate with each other.
I don't agree fully with what you have said but I understand the reasoning behind it. I don't want to start a discussion about game theory/languages etc. But wanted to point out that we (modern, civilized Western World 🥴) actually know how to play the game of religion. If Corona hadn't happened we would still be in war against the bad, bad Muslims. Communism was in the past, now we found an invisible enemy. Tadaaaa "covid19" a virus which by definition isn't a life Form, hence cannot be killed | 04:52:52 |
| Bo 80 | BTW thx for taking your time and answering my question | 04:53:37 |
| Katie Charm | I would also argue that finding a non-exploitable way to incentivize full nodes would be super fucking important | 06:10:44 |
| Katie Charm | But also that would require essentially solving Sybil, or making some serious sybil resistance | 06:11:02 |
| Katie Charm | At the risk of saying something stupid, what if people had to mine the right to be a full incentivized node, and only a trickle of new vested nodes were allowed at a time? The network agrees to send a certain % of mining rewards to full nodes, but only vested full nodes. Anyone can be a full node, but only full nodes which get lucky get vested and get to share in the node reward. Every block there is a small chance any existing nodes might get ‘vested’ and be eligible for incentives, and the rate that nodes get vested varies over time with the needs of the network. | 06:13:41 |
| Katie Charm | * At the risk of saying something stupid, what if people had to mine the right to be a full incentivized node, and only a trickle of new vested nodes were allowed at a time? The network agrees to send a certain % of mining rewards to full nodes, but only vested full nodes. Anyone can be a full node, but only full nodes which get lucky get vested and get to share in the node reward. Every block there is a small chance any existing nodes might get ‘vested’ and be eligible for incentives, and the rate that nodes get vested varies over time with the needs of the network. | 06:14:42 |
| rxy | I really think Iota is clever in that regard, maybe they didn't get it right but it's a cool idea (re: sending a transaction requires approving 2 other transactions) with no mining. | 06:51:26 |
 midipoet | In reply to @copenhagen_bram:matrix.org
Well... more secure than credit cards, at least Credit cards provide scam/fraud insurance, which is handy. Not sure if Digi-USD will | 09:23:30 |
 msavoritias | If its centrally controled and trnasparent for the regulator like credit cards are I dont see why not | 12:28:21 |
| midipoet | In reply to @msavoritias:matrix.nomagic.uk
If its centrally controled and trnasparent for the regulator like credit cards are I dont see why not I don't see how they can if it's not a credit based system | 13:04:00 |
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