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This is a room about all things cryptocurrency related, except for the price. We believe that the current atmosphere of the cryptocurrency world has been poisoned by speculation, and it is drowning out discussion of true technological innovation. Rules: 1. Be excellent to each other. 2. No price or market talk (this includes amounts). 3. No talk about mining hardware, other than theoretical/high level discussion. 4. No links to other Telegram groups without prior approval. 5. Politics, Religion, and Race are strictly off topic. Mention them, and risk a ban. 6. No referral links. No URL shorteners. No exceptions. 7. Be tasteful. This encompasses comments and memes that are inherently divisive. 8. Satoshi can, at any time, reveal themself with a cryptographic signature. Speculation on their identity without this signature should remain light. 4 Servers

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17 Sep 2019
02:18:24@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHerman
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it's a privacy disaster to encourage address reuse
yes, WP outlines privacy roadmap
02:18:38@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedication
In reply to Herman
yes, WP outlines privacy roadmap
Someone else asked about that lol
02:18:51@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationI asked about how the protocol is able to determine whether I double spent or not
02:19:05@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationSince it apparently does not need any address / sender data
02:19:39@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationSeems like it’s “scaling” by increasing the barrier to actually use the protocol. Which is a backdoor, convoluted way to do so
02:20:32@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationBut not even ^ because you said only 1 TX per block (and in mempool), which makes me wonder what would stop someone from sending a diff TX to multiple nodes (with known connections)
02:21:12@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermanYou're clearly not familiar with protocol, yet have conclusive opinions on it 🤔
02:21:47@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermanaccounts send transactions (called operations) to other accounts.. accounts are addressed by a number
02:22:11@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermanevery time an account authors an operation, a field inside the account is incremented, called n_operation
02:22:30@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermana double-spend is detected by two different transactions using same n_operation
02:23:17@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationWhat you explained is incomplete
02:23:46@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationBitcoin is UTXO. Ethereum is state-based. They both have two diff means of accounting for whether someone is double spending
02:23:59@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermanPascal is state-based
02:24:40@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedication
In reply to Herman
a double-spend is detected by two different transactions using same n_operation
What you described sounds somewhat like a combination, but not really.

“n_operation” doesn’t really tell us anything.

Are the coins non-fungible? If so, we’re getting somewhere.

If not, can you explain what “n_operation” means?
02:25:02@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationPerfect. So the entire state is stored then ...
02:25:10@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermann_op is a counter incremented everytime an account authors an operation
02:25:20@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationThe nonce. I hear you
02:25:23@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationMaking sense now
02:25:24@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermanthe state of accounts is stored in the SafeBox
02:25:46@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermanIt's not a "nonce" per say, it's a counter
02:25:56@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationI see.
02:26:20@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationSo how does one join the network w an account? Since there is a payment required
02:26:34@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermanimage.jpeg
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02:27:21@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationAre the contents of the safebox known?
02:27:41@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermanYes
02:28:29@telegram_461061135:t2bot.ioCryptoMedicationI see. I’m assuming all account segments are SHA256 hashed?
02:29:59@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermanyes in version 5 the SafeBox Hash is the merkle-root of the account segment hashes
02:30:21@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermanaccount segment hashes is a rolling hash of account hashes (should be merkle-root too, but not designed that way)
02:32:41@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHermanversion 6 the size of account segments will be dynamic, currently fixed at 5
02:39:23@telegram_110167989:t2bot.ioHerman https://www.pascalcoin.org/storage/whitepapers/PascalWhitePaperV5.pdf

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