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2 Apr 2020
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8 Apr 2020
00:33:21@ff777:matrix.orgFF777so viktor orban (prime minister in hungary) just passed law that makes it so people can't change their gender identity, and have to use the gender they are born with on their ID.. should people be allowed to change their "gender" legally or not
00:35:32@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)for the rare chance that they have gone through 10 years of hormones, surgery (maybe also), and whatever else and are able to pass 99% of the time i think it would be very annoying if after all of that you couldnt change gender on id
00:35:48@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online) * for the rare chance that they have gone through 10 years of hormones, surgery (maybe also), and whatever else and are able to pass 99% of the time i think it would be very annoying if after all of that you couldnt change gender on id
00:37:13@ff777:matrix.orgFF777i think in places where bottom surgery is allowed then it should also be allowed to change your legal gender...........but that kind of kicks the debate down the road to: should it be legal to allow people to get bottom surgery
00:37:30@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)yeah that is a good way to do it
00:38:10@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)bottom surgery........ even if you really want to be male or female, it seems pretty botched
00:39:26@ff777:matrix.orgFF777yep.. so that might lead to:::: should people be allowed to get stupid-level surgeries? i don't think some surgeries are allowed (at least not in USA) like you can't go in and ask doctor to amputate your leg off..
00:40:05@ff777:matrix.orgFF777personally i probably wouldn't allow bottom surgery because it is no where near perfect, and there is a reason for the 40% suicide rate..
00:40:23@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)yeah unless it is much better than it currently is
00:40:36@ff777:matrix.orgFF77740% suicide rate people are thinking "oh fuck.......this was a huge mistake"
00:41:13@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)should be harder to get hormones too
00:41:46@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)right now it is like you go to person, talk, and then once they think you are serious you can start
00:42:25@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)but what if other person doesnt really care and just prescribes it on second visit or something
00:42:32@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)then you end up with more trans people
00:43:05@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)also i feel like they should be shown all the cons
00:43:20@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)a lot of them are only thinking "meh can't be that bad"
00:43:26@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online) * a lot of them are only thinking "meh can't be that bad"
00:46:46@ff777:matrix.orgFF777it's a complicated subject..
00:47:11@ff777:matrix.orgFF777also like......how did people back in like the 1950s handle it?.. you didn't have tons of trans people back then..
00:47:42@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)probably suicide/ get used to it/ keep living but forever feel depressed/ dress the way they want in house or around well trusted friends
00:48:24@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online) * probably suicide/ get used to it/ keep living but forever feel depressed/ dress the way they want in house or around well trusted friends
00:48:30@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)i would think something like this
00:48:50@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)but i doubt anyone was going around publicly saying hey guys i think im trans
00:48:55@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)like they do today
00:49:12@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online)unless they passed really well or something (natrually feminine or masculine face and voice)
00:49:28@seveno_oseven:matrix.orgSeven (online) * unless they passed really well or something (natrually feminine or masculine face and voice)
15 Apr 2020
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13 May 2020
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