| 2 May 2020 |
 wirmachenbunt | Als Antwort auf @joreg:matrix.org
computer vision
• 2d data visualization
• music visualization
• audio basics
• building control user interfaces
• lighting control
• laser control
• firmata/arduino
• 2d physics animations
• skeleton tracking and interaction
• networking/iot (udp, osc, mqtt, zmq,...)
• accessing web apis (websocket, parsing json/xml)
• object oriented patching
• reactive patching
• application patching patterns
• using .NET nugets
• building VL libraries if you pick topics without 3D, are these meant to be covered by VL only ? | 11:49:34 |
 iorec | i'd argue these can best be covered with VL these days. if something is missing there, then we should focus on that. | 11:50:58 |
| iorec | (and obviously there are still things missing in that list) | 11:51:33 |
| iorec | * (and obviously there are still things missing for everything in that list to work with VL) | 11:51:57 |
| iorec | * • computer vision
• 2d data visualization
• music visualization
• audio basics
• building control user interfaces
• lighting control
• laser control
• firmata/arduino
• 2d physics animations
• skeleton tracking and interaction
• networking/iot (udp, osc, mqtt, zmq,...)
• accessing web apis (websocket, parsing json/xml)
• object oriented patching
• reactive patching
• application patching patterns
• using .NET nugets
• building VL libraries | 11:52:24 |
| wirmachenbunt | mmm, box2d already works in beta among other things. here is the dilemma | 11:56:17 |
| iorec | right, thats one of the things we need to bring over still. and domj seems to have already embarked on that road... | 11:57:22 |
 domj | I have merely done some preliminary research. If you find a way how to fund library creators without them having to find clients to pay for it or doing it out of pure enthusiasm, I would be gladly taking upon more libraries. | 12:00:46 |
| domj | * I have merely done some preliminary research. If you find a way how to fund library creators without them having to find clients/patrons to pay for it or doing it out of pure enthusiasm, I would be gladly taking upon more libraries. | 12:02:15 |
 tebjan | In reply to @u7angel:matrix.org
i quote joreg out of my head (seen in forum and riot) "gamma is in many regards already better than beta" , thats a message which i interpret as beta is done. you can use it but it isn't our concern anymore. beta is only a testbed for gamma and in terms of the VL integration not even uptodate. i had several occasions where i was told a specific problem is already solved, just not for beta VL. this is true, but this answer is probably not read by so many people. i doubt that we wrote that in a blog post or anything official. and yes, we will of course have a beta40 with latest VL so beta benefits from everything we do. and i think that is an important point. how can we communicate that better? i think this is currently a big problem and i agree with u7angel s points about this weird situation in the community. but how to resolve it? | 12:06:17 |
| tebjan | In reply to @u7angel:matrix.org
i quote joreg out of my head (seen in forum and riot) "gamma is in many regards already better than beta" , thats a message which i interpret as beta is done. you can use it but it isn't our concern anymore. beta is only a testbed for gamma and in terms of the VL integration not even uptodate. i had several occasions where i was told a specific problem is already solved, just not for beta VL. * this is true, but this answer is probably not read by so many people. i doubt that we wrote that in a blog post or anything official. and yes, we will of course have a beta40 with latest VL, so beta benefits from everything we do. and i think that is an important point. how can we communicate that better? i think this is currently a big problem and i agree with u7angel s points about this weird situation in the community. but how to resolve it? | 12:06:51 |
 @davidbrrrr:matrix.org | To me part of the aswer is, that we should allow us to teach whatever people need to be enabled on.. its about solutions first, not about the environment. as long as we can do facetracking, controlling robots, do physics animations we should teach and learn how to do it. it its works in beta better than gamma. fine. if its unity and ARkit? fine! If the vvvv group manages to push out stride in VL at that time. then i am sure there will be much people running into those workshops and webinars anyways and through that get onboarded to vvvv gamma/VL | 12:23:47 |
| wirmachenbunt | video killed the radiostar. that VL benifits beta is only relevant to long term vvvv users. for newbies its mindblowing. i don't know how to sell the situation to fresh students , where most are interested in 3d. | 12:25:28 |
| iorec | "i don't know how to sell the situation to fresh students , where most are interested in 3d." absolutely understandable. and we don't have a better answer to this than saying that VL.Stride will come and showing progress on it to make it more credible. and those who believe us can already get started with gamma now and benefit from Stride as soon as it is there. | 12:28:39 |
| @davidbrrrr:matrix.org | lets do stride workshops and best practices even without VL.Stride | 12:29:11 |
| @davidbrrrr:matrix.org | get to know the environment that VL.Stride will be based on | 12:29:37 |
| domj | if you present it like that I think many people will leave underwhelmed lacking that reward of a beautiful visual you just made | 12:30:54 |
| domj | but I'm remaining optimistic there will be a Stride in time or even before NODE 🤞 | 12:31:45 |
| domj | * but I'm remaining optimistic there will be a Stride in time for or even before NODE 🤞 | 12:32:02 |
| iorec | "if you present it like that I think many people will leave underwhelmed lacking that reward of a beautiful visual you just made" can you rephrase? not sure i understand what this was referring to.. | 12:32:54 |
| wirmachenbunt | iorec, i dont want to build up pressure regarding the release of stride. just saying it would be more comfortable if stride had some time to be established hence already has a larger userbase who can teach it. rather than being this hot iron. | 12:36:05 |
| domj | In reply to @davidbrrrr:matrix.org
lets do stride workshops and best practices even without VL.Stride iorec I was replying to this idea of making Stride workshops without Stride, which I understood as teaching the programming techniques but without the dopamine hit from beautiful Stride visuals resulting from your patch | 12:36:20 |
 @Hayden_A:matrix.org | Something important about node was that the materials are available for all the workshops I couldn't attend would still be available to explore and if they were well documented, would allow me to learn without direct instruction. The workshops could be a way to present this info and dig deeper into the content created. | 12:36:45 |
| @davidbrrrr:matrix.org | ah na. I ment lets get to know the Stride Game Engine without gamma | 12:37:09 |
| domj | ah, right, yeah that makes sense | 12:37:41 |
| wirmachenbunt | and you need to strongly communicate that beta is still the thing rather than looking for ways to promote the incomplete gamma/VL. but maybe this ship has sailed as one can see in the node20 response | 12:37:57 |
| iorec | u7angel: absolutely. even after we release it, it will need some time to get going. that's why i am really thinking at this point we should focus on the many other things that VL can already benefit everyone today. in beta and gamma. | 12:38:01 |
| @davidbrrrr:matrix.org | In reply to @joreg:matrix.org
u7angel: absolutely. even after we release it, it will need some time to get going. that's why i am really thinking at this point we should focus on the many other things that VL can already benefit everyone today. in beta and gamma. this would mean that we do beta workshops at node | 12:39:17 |
| @davidbrrrr:matrix.org | and i think thats totally fine | 12:39:25 |
| iorec | it is absolutely totally fine to do beta workshop at node. we always said so. if someone proposes them and some will subscribe to them, they will happen. | 12:40:23 |
