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19 Oct 2021
@otaylor:fedora.imOwen TaylorNo disagreement that getting to the point where evince, etc, are running in locked down flatpaks is a much bigger security goal.14:55:46
@mcatanzaro:gnome.orgMichael CatanzaroAnyway I admire your persistence for this issue, Owen....14:56:46
@otaylor:fedora.imOwen TaylorIt's either persist or fail to get my feature working...14:56:56
@linkdupont:fedora.imLink Dupont"Cake or death"14:57:14
@otaylor:fedora.imOwen TaylorHave figured out runcon, ausearch, etc,invocations to vastly decrease my cycle time15:00:47
@otaylor:fedora.imOwen TaylorWould be useful if I'm not guaranteed to entirely forget this within a week15:00:59
@vchernin:fedora.imvchernin

Why is it that Fedora RPM seems to want to call thunderbird just thunderbird but Fedora Flatpak goes with the usual reverse domain Flatpak standard org.mozilla.Thunderbird?

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/thunderbird/blob/f35/f/thunderbird.spec#_648

https://src.fedoraproject.org/flatpaks/thunderbird/blob/stable/f/container.yaml#_8

15:08:01
@vchernin:fedora.imvcherninWouldn’t it be easier if they just agreed to use the same AppStream ID…15:08:28
@cmurf:matrix.orgcmurfi only recently discovered there are user AVC's that don't show up with ausearch? is that right? see, I've already forgotten, I found it so confusing and non-obvious15:08:52
@cmurf:matrix.orgcmurfor maybe it's journalctl doesn't show the user AVCs...15:09:02
@vchernin:fedora.imvchernin
In reply to @vchernin:fedora.im

Why is it that Fedora RPM seems to want to call thunderbird just thunderbird but Fedora Flatpak goes with the usual reverse domain Flatpak standard org.mozilla.Thunderbird?

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/thunderbird/blob/f35/f/thunderbird.spec#_648

https://src.fedoraproject.org/flatpaks/thunderbird/blob/stable/f/container.yaml#_8

Mozilla’s file also refers to net.thunderbird.Thunderbird
15:09:21
@kalev:libera.chatkalev vchernin: yes, we should change the rpm thunderbird and flatpak thunderbird to use the same id, it's just a mess right now 15:24:40
@vchernin:fedora.imvchernin
In reply to @kalev:libera.chat
vchernin: yes, we should change the rpm thunderbird and flatpak thunderbird to use the same id, it's just a mess right now
Sadly I don’t think it’s the only app with this problem…
15:26:34
@vchernin:fedora.imvcherninDebian packages often make the same mistake it seems15:27:14
* @kalev:libera.chatkalev nods.15:35:04
@mcatanzaro:gnome.orgMichael Catanzaro vchernin: want to leave a comment on the bug? 16:08:34
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@otaylor:fedora.imOwen Taylor adamw: sorry this is taking so long :-( ... selinux ... bah 21:01:10
@adamwill:fedora.imadamw Owen Taylor: heh, i know. i'm still fighting Discover over here 21:01:45
@adamwill:fedora.imadamwdo we know if zdenek is still around to get us another selinux-policy build?21:30:48
20 Oct 2021
@conan_kudo:matrix.orgConan Kudo Michael Catanzaro, Owen Taylor: joy of joys... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2015741 01:33:07
@mcatanzaro:gnome.orgMichael Catanzaro
In reply to @conan_kudo:matrix.org
Michael Catanzaro, Owen Taylor: joy of joys... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2015741
It might be a surprise to you, but this is how it's always been... maybe time to reconsider it, indeed
01:38:14
@mcatanzaro:gnome.orgMichael CatanzaroBut for F35? When rc is due tomorrow? I would be doing this in rawhide instead.01:38:59
@conan_kudo:matrix.orgConan Kudo
In reply to @mcatanzaro:gnome.org
It might be a surprise to you, but this is how it's always been... maybe time to reconsider it, indeed
it's a non-default session, it could be shipped as a post-release update too, but it'd be nice to ship it on the media
01:40:17
@conan_kudo:matrix.orgConan KudoI found out this when someone told me today on a podcast after-show conversation and confirmed it on my laptop with Workstation01:41:22
* @mcatanzaro:gnome.orgMichael Catanzaro about to sign off, will read your responses tomorrow01:42:47
@mcatanzaro:gnome.orgMichael CatanzaroGood night!01:42:48
@conan_kudo:matrix.orgConan KudoWell, I've implemented the sessions and submitted a patch upstream: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell-extensions/-/merge_requests/19503:15:18
@conan_kudo:matrix.orgConan Kudoand I've tested it locally with the scratch build packages and verified that everything works the same03:15:45
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