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F(L)OSS cross-platform decentralized softphone & IM, which also includes SIP, positioned as a potential free Skype™ replacement. ••• Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jami_%28software%29 ••• Web: https://jami.net/ ° GitLab repo': https://git.jami.net/ ° See also, archived info' which includes the announcement of the name change.: https://web.archive.org/web/20181226012459/https://ring.cx/en/news ° Note: some old links, to be updated later.° https://ring.cx/en ••• FAQ: https://ring.cx/en/documentation/faq ••• OS Platforms: https://tuleap.ring.cx/projects/ring/ ° For Android, F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/cx.ring ° https://f-droid.org/packages/cx.ring/ ••• Wiki: https://tuleap.ring.cx/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/ring/index.php/Main_Page ••• News: https://ring.cx/en/news ••• mailto: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/ring ••• https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/137937/how-does-ring-cx-really-work-and-how-secure-is-it/162603#162603 ••• Diagram of: Centralized, Distributed, Decentralized¦Federated, p2p: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/25986477/30628328-3955834c-9dc5-11e7-8351-958a3ec51be3.png °°° https://maidsafeplatform.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/networksv2.png ••• Room is "World Readable" or what IRC calls "Logged" on: https://view.matrix.org/alias/%23GNU-Ring:matrix.org ••• Listed: https://matrixstats.org/room/!fzwUPYqNMjVQbXvfZO:matrix.org ••• For sharing: #GNU-Ring:matrix.org • https://riot.im/app/#/room/#GNU-Ring:matrix.org ° https://matrix.to/#/#GNU-Ring:matrix.org ° [#GNU-Ring:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/#GNU-Ring:matrix.org) ••• Keywords/Tags: #gnuRing #Ring #Decentralized-P2P #P2P #Privacy #Secure ••••48 Servers

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18 Jun 2020
@lutices:matrix.orgLuticesActually it's ordered by timestamp received, not sent, because you can't trust the other part. But the group chat will include a structure of messages19:50:24
@adroit:matrix.orgAdroitThat's exactly what I'm saying - timestamp received is way more untrustworthy in practice20:04:01
@lutices:matrix.orgLuticesthat's why it will be based on a structure in the following months20:04:39
@lutices:matrix.orgLuticesbut you can't trust/prove timestamp given by a peer20:04:55
@adroit:matrix.orgAdroitI can scroll up this long conversation I screenshotted, and see next to a random message an empty circle - meaning that old message still hasn't sent. When it finally does, who knows where it will appear...20:05:24
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that's why it will be based on a structure in the following months
You said for group chats - for now I'm just talking about direct messages
@lutices:matrix.orgLuticesyeah, 2 people is a group of 220:06:44
@lutices:matrix.orgLuticesWhat I'm saying is that it will be fixed by the work on group chat 20:07:01
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but you can't trust/prove timestamp given by a peer
I get that in theory - could be maliciously altered, peer's time could be wrong, etc. But there are ways to limit that risk, and in practice a bad timestamp is way less common than a delayed message right now
@lutices:matrix.orgLuticessure. 20:08:14
@lutices:matrix.orgLuticesBut anyway for your problem, please make a ticket on git.jami.net can be a bit long to debug/understand20:10:37
@adroit:matrix.orgAdroitThat page looks interesting! But seeing how the text is incomplete, the concept seems even more incomplete, so I don't see how the code will be out "in the coming months", let alone group chats replacing DMs20:19:37
@adroit:matrix.orgAdroitAnyway I'll try filing a bug20:20:15
@lutices:matrix.orgLuticesoh I agree, this is a lot of works20:26:21
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO There has been PLENTY of angst in real-time comm's where messages are not CLEARLY marked as unsent or not delivered, or not read. Despite other sub-optimal things, Matrix does do well at this. LinPhone and message receipts seem like an afterthought, too much like "fire & forget" days from SMS or XMPP. But it bears consideration. 22:07:41
@cornelius:ru-matrix.orgcornelius 22:53:34
19 Jun 2020
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depensd on what platform
Android <--> Linux
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@newline:matrix.orgnewHi Is there any way to use Jami with a server?10:43:43
@newline:matrix.orgnew * Hi Is there any way to use Jami with a server?10:45:35
@zzyyxx:matrix.orgBerberis set a profile picture.11:11:21
@slncn:matrix.org@slncn:matrix.org changed their display name from P_ to P1.11:35:08
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