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Ronnie Dutta | But is this finance stuff different from how forecasters use it? I can't really find out any info about the latter | 12:37:01 |
Tim P | Forecasters don't use it - this is climate modellers - As I was fond of telling people who wanted an argument about climate change - "asking a forecaster about climate change is like asking a bacteriologist about elephants - they're broadly the same thing, but the elephant is a bit bigger - having said which I trust the Met Office climate people." | 12:46:43 |
Ronnie Dutta | It looks like the ISO 8601 is only meant to deal with the gregorian calendar. It seems to me that any 360 calendar functionality should have much smaller scope | 12:47:15 |
oliver sanders | Correct! | 12:49:10 |
Ronnie Dutta | It has too much scope at the moment | 12:49:39 |
oliver sanders | Most of the "scope" is fine though, like for instance performing calculations on the 360 day calendar is fine, you get an answer in units which make sense within the 360 day calendar, the issue is when you try bringing Gregorian dates into it. | 12:51:24 |
oliver sanders | What do you mean by "smaller scope"? | 12:52:00 |
oliver sanders | * What precisely do you have in mind with "smaller scope"? | 12:52:17 |
Ronnie Dutta | I'm not sure 🤪 | 13:00:05 |
Ronnie Dutta | Having looked at https://climate4impact.eu/impactportal/downscaling/downscalingdocs.jsp?q=alternative_model_calendars
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Ronnie Dutta | And more like the current isodatetime implementation, i.e. it drifts out of sync with gregorian | 13:01:28 |
Ronnie Dutta | * And more like the current isodatetime implementation, i.e. it (360) drifts out of sync with gregorian | 13:01:36 |
oliver sanders | Yep. | 13:02:31 |
oliver sanders | It doesn't really matter, from the isodatetime end our job is to provide people with a repating system of years, months, and days, it's down to the user to work out what they want to do with it. | 13:03:09 |
oliver sanders | * It doesn't really matter though, from the isodatetime end our job is to provide people with a repating system of years, months, and days, it's down to the user to work out what they want to do with it. | 13:03:20 |
oliver sanders | * It doesn't really matter though, from the isodatetime end our job is to provide people with a repating system of years, months, and days, it's down to the user to work out what they want to do with it / how they want to interpret it. | 13:03:40 |
oliver sanders | * It doesn't really matter though, from the isodatetime end our job is to provide people with a repeating system of years, months, and days, it's down to the user to work out what they want to do with it / how they want to interpret it. | 13:03:46 |
Tim P | ah, Cylc as LEGO | 13:03:55 |
Tim P | *
ah, Cylc as LEGO: Lots of useful bits - painful when trodden on. | 13:04:27 |
Ronnie Dutta | Just to summarise some (hopefully) Correct information about isodatetime:
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Ronnie Dutta | And I believe: | 13:50:48 |
Ronnie Dutta |
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Ronnie Dutta | *
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Ronnie Dutta | Also:
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Tim P |
Probably good life advice | 13:55:25 |
oliver sanders |
Not quite as we provide the ability to represent the current time using the gregorian calendar (though sadly it would seem this is also true for 360 day 🤦♀️).
Isodatetime does not handle leap seconds (which effectively means we use a leap-slur)..
Ignore what the climate people do too! It's not isodatetime's job to work out what people want to do with the coordinate system we give them. | 13:57:55 |
oliver sanders | *
Not quite as we provide the ability to represent the current time using the gregorian calendar (though sadly it would seem this is also true for 360 day 🤦♀️). But fair enough, you could just use it as a coordinate system ignoring its relevance to the real world.
Isodatetime does not handle leap seconds (which effectively means we use a leap-slur)..
Ignore what the climate people do too! It's not isodatetime's job to work out what people want to do with the coordinate system we give them. | 13:58:32 |
Ronnie Dutta | If I understand this issue correctly: https://github.com/metomi/isodatetime/issues/70 It's not about converting e.g. 360 <-> Greg, but more about trying to do Greg stuff while the CALENDAR singleton is set to e.g. 360day | 13:58:33 |
oliver sanders | Yep | 13:59:00 |
oliver sanders | We can only work in one calendar mode at a time which is a right pain. | 13:59:15 |