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22 Mar 2018
15:04:47@edwardt:matrix.orgedwardt Heh. Although on governance....

pimpindots  I didn't quite mean to insinuate that this governance model was the same as governing a nation. To use the phrasing of Elad Verbin (the article I posted a couple days back): the action space is far smaller. Which means that even if polkadot "gets it wrong", the impact is far reduced. You could use that argument to say that governments should never experiment, but I think folks in this space are less convinced of that being a great outcome: stale governments / governance models. It would still be interesting to see what, if any, cross-over there is between the governance models blockchain projects are looking at and the Seasteading folks are looking at (which I haven't read up on recently).

The voting rights for DOT holders isn't so different from those who own shares / stock. The 'council' would somewhat similar to a board of directors I suppose.
16:22:01@pimpnDOTs:matrix.orgpimpindots edwardt: interesting! I think blockchain governance, at least how we think of it today, will naturally converge with “real life” governance because it provides the mechanism to self govern more efficiently. Of course we need an identity protocol and true digital money first. Some disparate but linked thoughts: 1) corporations like Apple/Goog are in GDP terms the size of most nation states, and their real life footprint are growing (see Corporate campuses where employees don’t have to leave), 2) every company in the future will have its own town, 3) tokens like the cryptoruble are experimenting with taxation, 4) corporations are working together to self govern, or provide needs that the government doesn’t provide (e.g Berkshire Hathaway with ~400,000 employees teaming up with Amzn and JPM to self insure), 5) co-habitation increasing (see austin) where folks who met online who have similar values move somewhere together, 6) Supra national memberships and citizenship (see Tim Draper and Estonia’s digital citizenship)
16:24:17@pimpnDOTs:matrix.orgpimpindotsIf these trends continue to accelerate its not hard to imagine Diamond Age-like Supra national identities forming that reside in the digital world rather than the real world, at least most of the time. And of course taxation and self-governing would be large parts of that
16:25:26@pimpnDOTs:matrix.orgpimpindots edwardt Interesting observation that the council is like the BoD for a company. Many different elements were brought in!
16:26:07@pimpnDOTs:matrix.orgpimpindots Every company in the future will have its own token^*^ haha. Maybe town too!
21:05:32@azulmarino3:matrix.orgazulmarino pimpindots: Interesting , why Austin ?
22:30:38@pimpnDOTs:matrix.orgpimpindots azulmarino: idk i guess it’s relatively cheap!
23:01:06@pimpnDOTs:matrix.orgpimpindots azulmarino: there was a really great article but i can’t find it! Calling the search ¯_(ツ)_/¯... will repost if i find
23 Mar 2018
00:08:23@pimpnDOTs:matrix.orgpimpindots Does anyone have the link for the July event Parity/Web3 is hosting in Berlin?
00:29:33@repj:matrix.orgrepj When we have more information you'll be among the first to know ;)
02:35:54@ashert:matrix.orgashleypimpindots: if you are referring to the magicians council, I’d also recommend checking out https://ethereum-magicians.org/
02:36:29@ashert:matrix.orgashley We are working to find a date for magicians gathering now and will have more info soon.
02:37:03@ashert:matrix.orgashleyIf you are referring to the scaling event we are planning, that will likely take place in September or so, also still in the very early works :)
11:07:08@pimpnDOTs:matrix.orgpimpindots repj: ashley thanks!!
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19:14:36@omiselu:matrix.org@omiselu:matrix.orgMP: pimpindots However BoD means non distributed, may only be referred as decentralized.
20:52:24@pippindots:matrix.orgpimpindots @omiselu:matrix.org: it really depends on how you measure decentralization
20:52:53@pippindots:matrix.orgpimpindotsJackson Palmer's nifty tool https://arewedecentralizedyet.com/ would not even include something like a council
20:54:23@pippindots:matrix.orgpimpindotsyour point brings up an interesting question for polkadot though - what is the best way to measure decentralization in the polkadot network?
20:55:00@pippindots:matrix.orgpimpindotsthe highest weighted variable should probably be concentration of DOT owners
21:15:36@pimpnDOTs:matrix.orgpimpindots This visualization of Cosmos is cool
21:17:37@repj:matrix.orgrepj pimpindots (@pimpnDOTs:matrix.org): I just saw that, their Graphics team did an amazing job with it. It doesn't really teach us much that we didn't already know, but it looks great. I think before too long you'll start seeing your share of polkadot related graphics.

Personally I like the light colors over the dark colors

21:22:55@pimpnDOTs:matrix.orgpimpindots repj: exciting! I think the graphics do a great job making Cosmos “feel” more real
21:23:35@repj:matrix.orgrepjThey have a pretty roadmap. No question. Have you seen some of the work from the Polkadot Lightpaper?
21:23:50@pimpnDOTs:matrix.orgpimpindots repj: i have
21:24:05@pimpnDOTs:matrix.orgpimpindots No doubt it also looks nice
24 Mar 2018
06:58:19@ps_dev:matrix.orgpsdevan alternative bridge use case, (as opposed to main-chain project seeking off chain cheap transactions) where home is low-cost and foreign is high-cost, these might be a good case for validators being independent of foreign chain authorities, ie PoW bridge to Pow w/ validators as independent 3rd PoA. For example, many eth-clone chain (etc, ubiq, ella, x100) ... they want volume, which exists in eth-main-chain ERC20 DEXs, thus eth-main is a foreign chain, and more expensive... another use case.

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