| 18 Jun 2020 |
 Pirate Praveen | Even if you don't want to use it, one of the persons you interact is expected use an emoji | 07:25:27 |
 jonas | Even if I don | 07:25:42 |
| Pirate Praveen | Which not the case for Devanagari font in Libre Office | 07:25:50 |
| jonas | Even if I don't write Devanagari, some of the persons I interact with does | 07:25:58 |
| Pirate Praveen | If you are just arguing it for the sake of it, I give up | 07:26:30 |
| jonas | Recommends is for features relevant for non-exotic use-cases | 07:26:53 |
| jonas | I argue that using emjis in chat is a common thing | 07:27:16 |
| jonas | you seem to argue that a chat program is unusable - even for exotic use-cases (like, say, me chatting with myself carefully avoiding emojis) | 07:28:16 |
| jonas | or am I missing your point? | 07:28:27 |
| jonas | is a chat program unusable for _all_ its use-cases, when emoji font is missing? | 07:29:08 |
 gargantua_kerr | jonas: I suppose the meaning here is: if a normal user using nheko to chat and is part of a few channels - even if they do not send any emoji, they would very likely get an emoji in a common group/from a friend. And nheko should be able to render this. Emoji is independent of any language specific stuff and that makes it more universal.
As for the libreoffice thing: not everyone uses devnagiri nor do you use libreoffice to interact with someone. English is well supported which is well, the official language we have at Debian too.
So not having devnagiri support isnt universal | 08:43:08 |
| jonas | gargantua_kerr: It seems you argue that nheko should recommend emoji font, whereas LibreOffice should only suggest devanagari font | 08:49:12 |
| jonas | ...or that LibreOffice should not even suggest it because using Devanagari with LibreOffice is soooo exotic that it deserves not even a mention in the packaging metadata | 08:50:21 |
 andrewsh | gargantua_kerr: I generally agree, but: Hindi (which uses Devenagari) is also an well supported language in Debian | 08:50:54 |
| jonas | I fail to read your argument as having any reason for enforcing emoji fonts onto all users of nheko | 08:51:05 |
| andrewsh | * gargantua_kerr: I generally agree, but: Hindi (which uses Devenagari) is also a well supported language in Debian | 08:51:11 |
| andrewsh | jonas: you don’t have to agree with that argument 😉 | 08:51:49 |
| jonas | arguing "...but it is _very_ common" translates to "it _really_ needs to be recommended | 08:52:06 |
| andrewsh | sorry, I can’t resist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ | 08:52:31 |
| jonas | dependencies are for when the package fails to work - even for exotic strange corner cases - without it | 08:53:13 |
| andrewsh | I think emoji support is absolutely a baseline of any modern chat app, hence Depends: is it. | 08:54:11 |
| gargantua_kerr | andrewsh: sure. But what I meant to say is emojis are much more universal than a particular language. And essentially, a chat app should provide support for these | 09:03:59 |
 davo | I would say forcing users to have a particular emoji font installed when any emoji font with decent coverage will do is pretty against user choice | 09:09:14 |
| davo | For example I much prefer Blobmoji over the modern Noto Color Emoji font. | 09:09:44 |
| Pirate Praveen | andrewsh: as I stated earlier, if I chose Hindi or Marathi as my default language then I expect Libre Office to work with Devanagari fonts. | 09:09:56 |
| Pirate Praveen | davo: that is a separate point, we can have a fonts-default-emoji to give choice | 09:10:56 |
| andrewsh | davo: maybe it’s the time to have an emoji-font metapackage and depend on it… | 09:11:13 |
| davo | In reply to@andrewsh:matrix.org
davo: maybe it’s the time to have an emoji-font metapackage and depend on it… That'd be sensible, but then if the Nheko package Depends on it then the deps would be broken on stable. And we already have Nheko in backports. | 09:13:08 |
| Pirate Praveen |
just a thought that whichever is right for Nheko is probably right for everything else in Debian displaying user text entry and could be kept updated in backports for the stream of unicode releases, perhaps it's worth me suggesting a defaults-emoji in debian-devel?
I think so, though the name should match with other font packages, so fonts-default-emoji would be better. | 09:13:18 |
| andrewsh | Pirate Praveen: yeah, but my comment was only to state Indic scripts are not that uncommon 🙂 | 09:13:32 |
