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 robertobeltran | In reply to @jgarte:matrix.org
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=-gzBqayDmJ8 bro I didn't know you liked noise music or pe or whatever you call it | 22:35:51 |
| 18 Sep 2020 |
 jgart | robertobeltran: I've listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a fan of Merzbow by any means. There's other music that involves "noise" that I prefer. | 01:41:05 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I've listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a fan of Merzbow by any means. There's other music that involves "noise" that I prefer. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This partly a failure of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labeling of noise music is that noise as such is being thought about as mostly the main musical material that these composers are thinking about composing with. | 02:00:52 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I've listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a fan of Merzbow by any means. There's other music that involves "noise" that I prefer. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a failure of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labeling of noise music is that noise as such is being thought about as mostly the main musical material that these composers are thinking about composing with. | 02:01:09 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I've listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a fan of Merzbow by any means. There's other music that involves "noise" that I prefer. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a failure of the requirement of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labeling of noise music is that noise as such is being thought about as mostly the main musical material that these composers are thinking about composing with. | 02:01:36 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I've listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a fan of Merzbow by any means. There's other music that involves "noise" that I prefer. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a failure of the requirement of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labeling of noise music is that there conception of what noise is/can be is main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing. | 02:03:01 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I've listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a fan of Merzbow by any means. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a failure of the requirement of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labeling of noise music is that there conception of what noise is/can be is main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing. | 02:03:26 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I've listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a fan of Merzbow by any means. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a failure of the requirement of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labelling of noise music is that there conception of what noise is/can be is main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing. | 02:04:01 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I've listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a fan of Merzbow by any means. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a failure of the requirement of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labelling of noise music is that the composers/marketers conception of what noise is/can be is main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing. | 02:04:41 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I've listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a fan of Merzbow by any means. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a failure of the requirement of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labelling of noise music is that the composers/marketers conception of what noise is/can be is the main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing. | 02:04:52 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I've listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a fan of Merzbow by any means. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a failure of the requirement of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labelling of noise music is that the composers/marketers conception of what noise is/can/should be is the main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing. | 02:06:27 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I've listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a fan of Merzbow by any means. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a failure of the requirement of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labelling of noise music is that the composers/marketers conception of what noise is/can/should be is the main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing and producing. | 02:06:47 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I have listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a fan of Merzbow by any means. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a failure of the requirement of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labelling of noise music is that the composers/marketers conception of what noise is/can/should be is the main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing and producing. | 02:08:42 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I have listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a big fan of Merzbow by any means. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a failure of the requirement of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labelling of noise music is that the composers/marketers conception of what noise is/can/should be is the main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing and producing. | 02:08:56 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I have listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a big fan of Merzbow by any means. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a failure of the market requirement of putting musics into genres. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labelling of noise music is that the composers/marketers conception of what noise is/can/should be is the main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing and producing. | 02:09:19 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I have listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a big fan of Merzbow by any means. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a result of the shortcomings putting musics into genres or labels. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labelling of noise music is that the composers/marketers conception of what noise is/can/should be is the main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing and producing. | 02:10:21 |
| jgart | * robertobeltran: I have listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a big fan of Merzbow by any means. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a result of the shortcomings putting musics into genres or labels. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labelling of noise music is that the composers/marketers conception or brand of what noise is/can/should be is the main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing and producing. | 02:11:15 |
| jgart | ephem: would have something interesting to say about this 😛 | 02:15:46 |
 ephem | I came across someone on a discord server talking about noise music recently, and really liked what they had to say:
>Noise music is the only form of sonic art that one might hear sounds never heard before. It's like the North Pole of dissonance: every other kind of music is south of it. It's sonic entropy. Listening to noise reminds us that the listener is the musician: interpretation is everything.
>Noise evades knowledge. Knowledge requires repetition, and noise is anti-repetition. There's no meter (beat) in noise. So I coined the term "entropic rhythm" to show how time expands and contracts at irregular temporal intervals.
There's rarely frequency, because frequency literally means repetition. So frequencies are constantly increasing and decreasing. Extreme forms of noise are either extremely loud or extremely soft (for "silence," we can discuss John Cage).
>My basic claim is that noise music is defined by the prioritization of timbre over pitch. Timbre is like hue in the color world: it's the quality of any particular sound. Guitarists call it "tone," but they mean timbre. I claim that timbre is the ontology of sound. | 02:59:59 |
| ephem | I personally have a hard time getting into a space where I want to listen to noise music - experiencing it live or with a really high fidelity sound system is, unlike many other forms of music, a must for me with this type of music in particular - but I do really like this theory and think it's a useful/approachable polemic for understanding what makes noise music unique | 03:05:41 |
| ephem | jgart | 03:05:48 |
| ephem | * I came across someone on a discord server talking about noise music recently, and really liked what they had to say:
>Noise music is the only form of sonic art that one might hear sounds never heard before. It's like the North Pole of dissonance: every other kind of music is south of it. It's sonic entropy. Listening to noise reminds us that the listener is the musician: interpretation is everything.
>Noise evades knowledge. Knowledge requires repetition, and noise is anti-repetition. There's no meter (beat) in noise. So I coined the term "entropic rhythm" to show how time expands and contracts at irregular temporal intervals.
>There's rarely frequency, because frequency literally means repetition. So frequencies are constantly increasing and decreasing. Extreme forms of noise are either extremely loud or extremely soft (for "silence," we can discuss John Cage).
>My basic claim is that noise music is defined by the prioritization of timbre over pitch. Timbre is like hue in the color world: it's the quality of any particular sound. Guitarists call it "tone," but they mean timbre. I claim that timbre is the ontology of sound. | 03:06:22 |
| robertobeltran | In reply to @jgarte:matrix.org
robertobeltran: I have listened to a fair share of "noise music". I'm not a big fan of Merzbow by any means. Noise music is a bit of a misnomer as all music contains noise. This is partly a result of the shortcomings putting musics into genres or labels. On a practical marketing level, the idea in the labelling of noise music is that the composers/marketers conception or brand of what noise is/can/should be is the main musical material that these composers are thinking about when they are composing and producing. yeah bro, like I said, whatever you call it, is what it is | 21:03:58 |
| robertobeltran | I think genres are useful in electronic and pop music to trace back influences, to get context | 21:07:40 |
| robertobeltran | I went to this show pre-pandemic, this girl was mixing really edgy tracks from all the UK edm genres that were popular like maybe in the last 10-20 years, but with a power electronics undertone, which was even nuttier considering she's a feminist and power electronics gets associated with fascism a lot and she kind of pointed that out somewhere online, but I can't find it now | 21:17:30 |
| 19 Sep 2020 |
| jgart |
There is two kinds of music, the good, and the bad. I play the good kind.
| 17:02:16 |
| jgart | *
There is two kinds of music, the good, and the bad. I play the good kind.
- Louis Armstrong
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