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14 Jan 2021
@jlj:matrix.orgjlj (he/him)AFAIK, anyway.16:55:34
@jlj:matrix.orgjlj (he/him)I think much of that is women giving themselves more options in life, mind.16:55:52
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘 It really is. Morphing fast af I tell ya 16:55:53
@jlj:matrix.orgjlj (he/him)AFK for a bit. :-)16:56:17
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘 Kk ^-^ 16:56:24
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘

I think much of that is women giving themselves more options in life, mind.

Absolutely. We would be far better off without the concept of gender, its unlimited terms, and its abirtrary roles. Once you a human is seen as just an individual, and not as a sexual organ or a color pencil, things really can change and people start to scale up their view on not only themselves but the people around them, with harmful preset expectations diminished.

16:58:39
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘 Also there needs to be existential encouragement. All too often people are left to deal with existential and meta physical matters on their own. Having a community of no censorship, that allows people to openly discuss their discoveries, fears, questions, etc. of existence, extra dimensional matters, etc. people would not ostracize such subjects any more. But unfortunately this is not the case and thus we have stupid shit like "Pro-Lifers" running rampant while basic shit like the ethics of suicide and the moral complexities of birth is tossed to the wayside. 17:01:57
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘 A bit of an anecdote, I had a friend that was telling how they barely climbed their way out of existential dread, left to deal with it alone as I would assume. They went on to lament how after sharing a post on social media asking "Does anyone else just walk in the dark sometimes and do some self reflection" got either silence or confused responses. It goes to show that not only is deeper thinking taboo, but also it is obscured by rarity. It's not considered "normal" and it doesn't frequently happen for the majority of people. Other categories would be self reflection, self awareness, and internal dialogue or investigation. Instead you just get a bunch of literal real world equivalents to video game NPCs. 17:08:35
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘 Hell the last time I talked about disassociation from seen self, I only had like two people actually have a relative idea of what I was talking about. 17:12:48
15 Jan 2021
@user391617914:matrix.orguser391617914On existentialism: to sum it up, I think that the reason humans could choose to live (and try to be happy) despite having no real reason to is the fact that it probably what they ultimately want to do (I think that this is likely to be the case for every human), despite if they believe they don't. But even if they would have more of the logical choice for them, they wouldn't have much of a reason to not make the opposite anyways, since they would be dead. I asked a friend, and he told me that there could be the possibility of an afterlife, if we were in a simulation. I thought that if it were true, nihilism could still be practiced if we were inside of a simulation since the simulation would eventually disappear, still making it meaningless. (The simulation would disappear because if time is infinite, then all the possible events that can happen WILL, therefore it will eventually disappear if we assume that the supercomputer simulating us can be destroyed). But if we were in a simulation, could the beings controlling the simulation change the way logic fundamentally works? For example: 2+2=4, since with our mathematical system 4 is the logical result, but what if for those beings 2+2=5? And that they had modified something in the way logic works (not the mathematical system but the actual logic). I don't know how this could work exactly, but if it was true then it would mean that their universe would be very different from ours. We could debate whether or not we could be in a simulation of some kind or whether or not modifying the way logic works in a simulation would be possible, but the problem is that we can't prove that logic hasn't been modified, since if we did well it could be possible that the logic we used to do so had been modified to make us believe it was not. So the possibility of modifying logic would mean that it could be possible for a never-ending simulation, that cannot be stopped or destroyed, to exist (even though we have absolutely no idea whether or not it actually does). And if it were true, then nihilism could technically be false, and it could be in our best interest to just live and see what happens next since we have no control on what does. You can tell me what you think about that. But thinking about it, there are other things we could prove with this same theory. I bet all of you have asked yourselves how the universe came to be. I have always asked myself, because logically it would be supposed to have had a start and came from somewhere, even though that is technically impossible because there was nothing for it to come from before. What if we were indeed in a simulation( maybe one nested in many others), that logic had been modified in some way that makes us believe that the universe had to have a start and come from somewhere, but that logic doesn't work that way in the place simulating us, and that the origin of the universe could be rationally explained?20:45:08
@user391617914:matrix.orguser391617914(Also: if we are in a simulation well the beings simulating us could also be in one and basically there could be hundreds and millions or an infinity of nested simulations, so logic could have been modified in various different ways between the original world and us. It could be possible that most of the logical concepts we use would be completely alien to the original world, and that the way I was describing the potential solution to the origin of the universe completely inaccurate, for that original world. Maybe it even has more than three spatial dimensions. It could be ANYTHING.)20:54:39
@user391617914:matrix.orguser391617914(Maybe for them there isn't even anything such as a dimension. Anyways I think you understand what I mean.)21:16:53
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In reply to @aerodismetra:matrix.org
Also I was doing research into how people perpetuate the idea that society (an object that is intrinsically free or opinion) is good by default and that life (again, a subject that is intrinsically free of opinion) is good by default, because it's what the brainwashing machines of society recite.
Well I think animals are kind of programmed by default to value their life by default, and not doubt it.
21:17:01
@user391617914:matrix.orguser391617914 ADM52 航空盘: About what you were saying earlier, people who are not raised by their parents in way that leads to thinking about all of this are much, much less likely to do so later. 21:18:48
@user391617914:matrix.orguser391617914Otherwise I completely agree with you.21:51:40
@user391617914:matrix.orguser391617914And as you say, there's no use of teaching things to kid if they don't even know what the purpose of knowing and thinking is.21:52:40
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In reply to @aerodismetra:matrix.org

I think much of that is women giving themselves more options in life, mind.

Absolutely. We would be far better off without the concept of gender, its unlimited terms, and its abirtrary roles. Once you a human is seen as just an individual, and not as a sexual organ or a color pencil, things really can change and people start to scale up their view on not only themselves but the people around them, with harmful preset expectations diminished.

By the way, for that, I've been wondering about the concept of "gender" and maybe there's something that I didn't understand correctly, but is it supposed to be useful for it to exist?
21:54:15
@user391617914:matrix.orguser391617914That theory on simulations etc. seems a bit farfetched. Do you see any problem with it?22:07:05
16 Jan 2021
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘Give me a moment. Sorry about the long gap in response time. I've been busy all day. I will write a reply here shortly.00:11:21
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘

About what you were saying earlier, people who are not raised by their parents in way that leads to thinking about all of this are much, much less likely to do so later.

Unfortunately this is quite true. And extremely sad. It's why I hope to reach as many people with critical thought as I can before I end up dying somehow.

03:19:12
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘

By the way, for that, I've been wondering about the concept of "gender" and maybe there's something that I didn't understand correctly, but is it supposed to be useful for it to exist?

It's useful for arbitrarily dividing and oppressing people.

03:19:40
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘

Otherwise I completely agree with you.
And as you say, there's no use of teaching things to kid if they don't even know what the purpose of knowing and thinking is.

Yeah again pretty sad. Wish the world has different on a greater scale but oh well.

03:20:15
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘
What if we were indeed in a simulation( maybe one nested in many others), that logic had been modified in some way that makes us believe that the universe had to have a start and come from somewhere, but that logic doesn't work that way in the place simulating us, and that the origin of the universe could be rationally explained?
03:22:44
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘
So the possibility of modifying logic would mean that it could be possible for a never-ending simulation, that cannot be stopped or destroyed, to exist (even though we have absolutely no idea whether or not it actually does). And if it were true, then nihilism could technically be false, and it could be in our best interest to just live and see what happens next since we have no control on what does. You can tell me what you think about that.
03:22:55
@aerodismetra:matrix.orgADM52 航空盘Nihilism would still prevail because at that point nothing would matter even more so. If someone was constantly changing the rules and keeping the actors in an illusion, then it would largely not matter what those actors did. They are going to be processed through one way or another and they can never get out. Though in a sense, realizing that if this is the case, then the actors have successfully beaten the creators. Because they have become aware of what the creators are doing and thus the creators can no longer keep the actors under the illusion, since the actors now know the truth and can never not know the truth, unless the creators kill off the actors who have that knowledge, and start over with new actors, completely oblivious to their plot of always modifying the logic.03:25:20
17 Jan 2021
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