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18 May 2022
@telegram_162569063:t2bot.ioSage
In reply to 若得捏
remember that SoC TDP != power consumed by the system
I'm just going by how much power my phone takes to work — the battery charge level goes down if it's plugged into a 5w port instead of a 10w capable port.
17:30:22
@telegram_162569063:t2bot.ioSageerr wait, standard USB is 2.5w, 5v 500ma17:30:41
@telegram_95300372:t2bot.io若得捏
In reply to Sage
I'm just going by how much power my phone takes to work — the battery charge level goes down if it's plugged into a 5w port instead of a 10w capable port.
charge rate isn't equal to how much energy the SoC is pulling from the battery though
17:31:08
@endor00:matrix.orgendor00
In reply to @telegram_162569063:t2bot.io
err wait, standard USB is 2.5w, 5v 500ma
That's the basic usb 2.0 spec, but there are many variants with higher power
17:31:34
@telegram_162569063:t2bot.ioSagethis is true, but I assume mining is higher power consumption than watching youtube videos. Probably depends on screen brightness17:31:52
@davis_:matrix.org@davis_:matrix.org left the room.17:33:15
@telegram_162569063:t2bot.ioSageYeah I'm just trying to get a good idea of how much power each phone uses.17:33:18
@telegram_162569063:t2bot.ioSage* Yeah I'm just trying to get a good idea of how much power each phone uses and I don't have a USB power meter17:33:30
@telegram_95300372:t2bot.io若得捏well, assuming they're all 10W, it's still a waste of time and money if your goal is mining17:42:08
@telegram_95300372:t2bot.io若得捏you can do far more efficient mining with a single Ryzen CPU, for much less than the cost of enough phones and electricity to achieve the same hash rate17:43:03
@endor00:matrix.orgendor00actually, 370 H/s on 10W is even worse than an old intel cpu - even those do > 40 H/s/W17:46:22
@telegram_162569063:t2bot.ioSageI'm thinking they are closer to 2.5w. a 10w flashlight gets almost too hot to hold after a few minutes. This topic keeps coming back, I'm going to have to get some tools and phones and get some actual data.17:46:35
@endor00:matrix.orgendor00so not only horribly expensive, but horribly inefficient (to the point that you're losing money without basically free electricity) too17:47:10
@telegram_95300372:t2bot.io若得捏
In reply to Sage
I'm thinking they are closer to 2.5w. a 10w flashlight gets almost too hot to hold after a few minutes.

This topic keeps coming back, I'm going to have to get some tools and phones and get some actual data.
no. they are around 8-12W TDP depending on the SoC.
17:47:10
@telegram_95300372:t2bot.io若得捏
In reply to @endor00:matrix.org
so not only horribly expensive, but horribly inefficient (to the point that you're losing money without basically free electricity) too
and that doesn't even include the pain of labor to set them up to even run xmrig
17:47:48
@endor00:matrix.orgendor00but that can be automated away with termux + a oneliner17:48:24
@endor00:matrix.orgendor00 * but that can be automated away with termux + a oneliner script17:48:27
@endor00:matrix.orgendor00so that's the least of your problems17:48:37
@telegram_95300372:t2bot.io若得捏automating wifi config, installing termux, etc etc? plus you'd need to build some complex dock to house all the phones17:49:02
@telegram_95300372:t2bot.io若得捏so they all have power, can be manged easily, etc…17:49:19
@endor00:matrix.orgendor00(I'm only talking about automating the software part, not the hardware)17:49:53
@telegram_95300372:t2bot.io若得捏much easier with commodity PC hardware where you can just boot from USB from the start17:49:55
@telegram_95300372:t2bot.io若得捏plus, for a thousand phones, you'd need to manage 4 different subnets for them all to even connect to the wifi, on multiple routers17:51:58
@endor00:matrix.orgendor00You can have networks much bigger than a /2417:52:54
@endor00:matrix.orgendor00The typical configuration is for a /24, but the actual space is 192.168.0.0/1617:53:34
@telegram_95300372:t2bot.io若得捏 sure, it's lan so you can 10.x.x.x everything, but it's still something you have to manage 17:53:34
@endor00:matrix.orgendor00As space guide put it in the past - your phones would just lose connectivity due to all the wifi noise anyway at that point17:54:19
@telegram_95300372:t2bot.io若得捏300-400H/s with even as few as 100 phones will only get you 30-40 kH/s, at the cost of much work, and a kilowatt of energy being used, when you get that with one or two CPUs with Ryzen/Threadripper/EPYC, at less than 300W consumption, and without the headache of managing 100 devices on the network, automating deployment of updates and config, etc…17:56:08
@telegram_95300372:t2bot.io若得捏exactly, phones just are not worth it17:56:37
@telegram_162569063:t2bot.ioSageYeah buying 3900x is easier than reading this conversation18:10:36

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