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| Modos - General | 118 Members |
| 14 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
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| 6 Mar 2024 | ||
 Szybet | InkBox is not yet ready for a commercial product or anything like that, but after this summer it should be as I finish a new reader / change the UI a bit / rewrite some bad code / maybe redo the xorg implementation it has potential for sure and as I concluded we were looking to build an open source ereader but as it seems, it's too hard for only a few people to do | 18:22:35 |
 alex-soto | That’s good to hear! Thank you for your hard work. Out of curiosity, is there any chance of Wayland support in the future? Also, if we decide to work towards the tablet, there are some changes we would have to make to our controller that could then possibly be used for an open-source ereader in the future. | 18:28:07 |
| Szybet | Well, maybe first we are limited by old kernels, so we would first need to split the OS into 2: Old and new GLIBC and then we can think of wayland. it is possible for sure secondly, we mostly use Qt and a special platform plugin to output things to the screen ( That's what kobo ereaders do too, it's very efficient and needed on devices with 255 Mb of ram ). Xorg has some ghosting and many other problems so we avoid it, it's considered experimental. Maybe wayland would perform better cool! | 18:30:56 |
| Szybet | Oh you have experience with NLnet grants... Do you think inkbox has any chance? | 18:31:43 |
| alex-soto | In reply to @szybet:matrix.orgI see. Thank you for the write-up. Yeah, the reason I ask is that in the future, I’d like to work with people at Sourcehut in the development of Wayland protocols that work with our display controller and create “native e-ink applications.” So, while we’re still far from due to capital restraints, I’m on the lookout for Wayland-based applications that could be a good fit to eink devices. | 18:35:17 |
| Szybet | this would work just as the platform plugin in some form, so it could work good, sounds great! | 18:36:14 |
| alex-soto | In reply to @szybet:matrix.orgI have some experience with NLnet grant, happy to talk more about my experience and what the process looked like for us, alex@modos.tech | 18:37:09 |
| Szybet | In reply to @alex-a-soto:matrix.orgok cool, thanks. We will reach out some day | 18:37:37 |
| alex-soto | In reply to @szybet:matrix.orgYeah, please do would love to support in what I can. | 18:38:12 |
| 7 Mar 2024 | ||
 narodism joined the room. | 09:11:01 | |
| narodism | greets, any chance I can buy the eink monitor for the framework laptop? | 09:12:53 |
| narodism | Redacted or Malformed Event | 09:13:51 |
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| narodism | * greets, any chance I can buy the eink monitor for the framework laptop? I really need one of these in my life. I've got a dasung monitor I use with a rasppi, but it's non portable which sucks. | 09:17:16 |
| alex-soto | In reply to @narodism:matrix.orgHi! Sorry to hear about the challenges you're facing trying to use a secondary monitor. We have yet to make plans to make our display controller and EPD panel work with a Framework laptop. We briefly spoke with Nirav about it, and it would require an investment of time and resources from both ends to make it compatible, which we currently can't support. | 20:57:17 |
| alex-soto | In reply to @narodism:matrix.org* Hi! Sorry to hear about the challenges you're facing trying to use a secondary monitor. We have yet to make plans to make our display controller and EPD panel work with a Framework laptop. We briefly spoke with Nirav about it, and it would require an investment of time, resources and capital from both ends to make it compatible, which we currently can't support. | 20:57:53 |
| 9 Mar 2024 | ||
| narodism | apologies for sending the message above several times. I just reloaded matrix and it shows them now | 10:26:28 |
| narodism | I saw this video of an eink monitor working with the framework, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=480xteW2wq4 wasn't that you guys? why not allow buying that addon at a much higher price? | 10:28:05 |
 zephray | It was us. But I mean as you can see in the video, it's not even installed in the framework. That's literally just put a disassembled monitor on top of the framework, without any real integration whatsoever. The intention of the video is to demonstrate the monitor, not showing that we have a working integration with the framework. To actually build it to be something people can install on to the framework laptop, we would need to invest in additional labor to make that happen. I am not ruling out the possibility but as Alex said it's just not being actively worked on as of now. | 15:45:19 |
| Szybet | Hmmm how / from where do you source your eink panels? Is the supplier kind enough to sell invidual panels only? | 15:49:58 |
 davelab6 | In reply to @alex-a-soto:matrix.orgWould you be willing to share a ballpark range of how much time and capital you think would be needed :) | 16:37:04 |
| alex-soto | In reply to @davelab6:matrix.org That’s challenging because it would require cooperation with Framework, familiarity with the motherboard and its internals, and possibly modifications to the chassis. A ballpark range would probably be around 250-300k in a little over a year, but these are rough estimates with incomplete information. | 16:52:19 |
| alex-soto | In reply to @davelab6:matrix.org* That’s challenging because it would require cooperation with Framework, familiarity with the motherboard and its internals, and possibly modifications to the chassis. A ballpark range would probably be at least 250-300k in a little over a year, but these are rough estimates with incomplete information. | 16:57:15 |
| 11 Mar 2024 | ||
 Ross Rochford | Szybet do you know anything about the practicalities of using Xpra for screen mirroring to e-readers? According to my very brief research (asking chatGPT), it does some kind of OCR to represent text-heavy content as text. I found a html5 browser client so perhaps it can run that way: https://github.com/Xpra-org/xpra-html5 | 18:22:07 |
| Szybet | It's just fancy vnc right? no reason to use that first, ereaders have very limited hardware so they don't even run xorg most of the time secondly, browsers are heavy and we don't really have memore for it, not only to mention for javascript there are a few VNC clients for kobo, most of them are half or not working ( A xorg one crashes often, a rust one simple doesn't work ) I decided to put together a demo of a custom one https://youtu.be/hRqquXvsR1Q and even it matches the performance of the ones above, while it's still unoptimised ( It sends a PNG to the ereader and shows it, it just does it in a really optimised way, but it's still a png in the backend ) | 18:30:08 |
| Szybet | * It's just fancy vnc right? no reason to use that first, ereaders have very limited hardware so they don't even run xorg most of the time secondly, browsers are heavy and we don't really have memore for it, not only to mention for javascript there are a few VNC clients for kobo, most of them are half or not working ( A xorg one crashes often, a rust one simple doesn't work ) I decided to put together a demo of a custom one https://youtu.be/hRqquXvsR1Q and even it matches the performance of the ones above when they do sometimes work, while it's still unoptimised ( It sends a PNG to the ereader and shows it, it just does it in a really optimised way, but it's still a png in the backend ) | 18:30:38 |
| Szybet | * It's just fancy vnc right? no reason to use that first, ereaders have very limited hardware so they don't even run xorg most of the time secondly, browsers are heavy and we don't really have memore for it, not only to mention for javascript there are a few VNC clients for kobo, most of them are half or not working ( A xorg one crashes often, a rust one simply doesn't work ) I decided to put together a demo of a custom one https://youtu.be/hRqquXvsR1Q and even it matches the performance of the ones above when they do sometimes work, while it's still unoptimised ( It sends a PNG to the ereader and shows it, it just does it in a really optimised way, but it's still a png in the backend ) | 18:34:19 |
| Ross Rochford | I believe Xpra works better than vnc on low bandwidth connections, but it doesn't follow that it's less demanding on the client's CPU and Ram. But still, it points in a potentially fruitful direction. Given that most use cases for e-ink displays will be for text-heavy content, it should be possible to compress this into a representation suited for low powered devices. | 19:04:14 |
| Szybet | It still uses xorg which is heavy and has more ghosting than native applications | 19:05:01 |